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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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how you doing how you doing today's

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of nowhere a total undisclosed location

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changer Network and kgra the planets

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I'm Yours Jimmy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing what a week on

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the show this has been a perfect week on

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and we're going to close it out tonight

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UFOs and impossible science all of that

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he's on with us tonight I was just uh

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he's at a beautiful location and he

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with Ross and uh I really appreciate

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um Ross and I started talking about

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and and the book uh was getting uh ready

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following Ross and his comments and his

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knowledge so we're going to get into all

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Micah Hanks and uh so I I did that uh

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the breaking news which I will get to in

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um about uh the UAP task force report

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but again thank you to Christina and and

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another live stream uh today with uh

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that out of the way it was just been a

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busy busy day all of this leading up to

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what is happening this Saturday which is

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uh on the 17th of July this is our

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forbidden disclosure online

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conference that we are doing with

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Richard Dolan and Linda Moulton Howe and

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Lou Elizondo Nick Pope Billy Carson and

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and uh the tickets and everything are

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watching on YouTube right now you can

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click on the links in the video

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description box below we have everything

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up uh around social media and of course

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over at jimmychurchradio.com right now

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if you go and get your tickets use the

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promo code

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disclosure at checkout that's disclosure

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all caps and you will get an additional

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ten dollars off uh of the conference

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ticket prices for this Saturday so we've

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got that going on and uh and I want to

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thank Billy for extending that discount

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to everybody so the promo code the

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coupon code is disclosure all caps but

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you're going to want to get in on this

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a very historic live conference to have

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hour live all-day conference and at the

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we're gonna get everybody together for a

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round table to further the discussion

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about disclosure with everything that is

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the show we've had this week all

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I will be there in the morning I'm going

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to be there at night and introducing

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everybody throughout the day now this is

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the entire program is going to be

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available to everybody that purchased uh

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tickets for life you're going to have

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your own code and to further things

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right so you can have a full season and

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each two hour segment with everybody

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the season of this which also includes

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be the round table how cool is that so

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go and get your tickets and get your

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tickets now and I will see everybody

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this Saturday you can follow me on

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where all the chatter is going on with

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last 24 hours guitarist Jeff labarr and

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same day and I want to say rest in peace

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to Jeff and Gary and the the very

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Cinderella and they both passed away

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yesterday so uh rest in peace uh Jeff

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where am I let's see oh there is a legal

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songs in a drama series about their

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lives and all of that began in London's

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High Court earlier today the band's

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former guitarist Steve Jones and drummer

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Paul Cook are suing Johnny Lyden that's

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right known to the world as Johnny

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catalog in this show the six part series

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it's called pistol which is being

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developed by Disney and directed by

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Danny Boyle had reignited some of these

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long-standing feuds among the surviving

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members of the band which formed all the

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way back in 1975 formerly disbanded

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along you know come on just let this

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uh you know what Public Image Limited

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Sex Pistols some of the greatest stuff

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ever recorded huge fan

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all right where am I oh dog pee I want

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to talk about dog pee

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that's right dog pee is being blamed

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for the mysterious sudden collapse of a

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traffic light pole in Japan

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first installed at a set of Crossroads

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designed to remain in place for 50 years

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just after 23 years of use

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it was found snapped at the base now so

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the police and detectives

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CSI they Converge on this traffic poll

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and they discovered that approximately

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40 times the concentration of dog pee

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around the bottom of the post

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compared to other sets of traffic lights

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installed around the same time the good

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news

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nobody was injured let's get the show

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cracking happy birthday to today

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Forest Whitaker Forest Whitaker is 60

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years old and I I got to say

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Fast Times at Ridgemont High

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but he was also great in arrival Linda

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Ronstadt today is 75 incredible Trevor

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Horn of the Buggles today is 72 years

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old

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that's right first video ever played on

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MTV the Buggles Video Killed the Radio

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Star also 38 Special guitarist Jeff

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carlisi great guitar player today is 69

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and guitar God Joe Satriani satch

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Joe Satriani today is 65 years old our

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dead guy's birthday today I need a

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moment of silence please for the one and

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only Ian Curtis

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1956 to 1980 died at the age of 23. Ian

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of course was the lead singer and

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Lyricist of Joy Division he recorded two

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albums with the group Unknown Pleasures

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in 1979 and their breakout album closer

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in 1980.

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I'm just going to say this love will

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tear us apart remains one of the

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greatest songs in music history now Ian

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suffered from epilepsy and depression

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and he died by suicide on the eve of Joy

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division's first North American tour and

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shortly before the release of the album

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closer his death led to the band's

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dissolution and the subsequent formation

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of the band New Order

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wow happy birthday Ian Curtis on this

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day in history

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1965. it was a big day

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Mariner 4. passes over Mars the red

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planet at an altitude of just 6 000 feet

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and sends back to Earth the first

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close-up images of the red planet

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yeah this day 1965 fader fact

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all right now here you go this is one of

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those this is one of those things it

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just doesn't sound right it's too

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unbelievable but it's a fact

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the sweetener saccharin

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okay put that in your mind the sweetener

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saccharin was accidentally discovered by

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a Russian chemist who forgot to wash his

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hands after working in his lab

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and then he licked his fingers

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that's a true story that's a true story

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that's all I got

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guest live from Australia Ross colthard

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joins us and we are going to discuss his

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new uh book and production in plain

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sight and investigation into UFOs and

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impossible science all of that at the

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bottom of the hour all right let me hit

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because of my Fade to Black

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go to our Amazon store that's there the

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game changer blend all of our other

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products all of our Black Moon products

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everything is available right there all

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of the banners and stuff and links is

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over at Jimmy

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ah

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okay

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so

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just before Showtime tonight

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John Greenwald of The Black Vault

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tweeted out

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that the UAP task force classified

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section of their report

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that's right

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John's full report will be published

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tomorrow

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um he just texted me

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uh right before the show tonight that he

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will publish his report tomorrow

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everything will be discussed then what

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are my thoughts

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well

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I was just down with uh Christina Gomez

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and Micah Hanks uh right before the show

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tonight speaking about this

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and I've had more time to digest things

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I've had an additional 30 minutes uh to

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think about this

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ah

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I don't know what to think now Ross is

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no I've got a lot to talk Ross is going

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to be with us at the bottom of the hour

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we will discuss this uh with Ross as

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well but

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um

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I do know this there has been

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a lot of people out there talking about

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this and speculating and some people

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that uh would suggest that they are in

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the know and they've

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uh spoken to people some have suggested

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that they have read the report that they

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have seen the report

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and there has been a lot of page numbers

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thrown out there

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uh 70 Pages 74 Pages 78 Pages we know

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that the

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unclassified section of the report was

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just nine with six or seven effective uh

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pages in The unclassified report so you

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would wonder how

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could there just be 17 pages in The

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classified section of the report and if

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we look at the unclassified section

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you've got a title page so subtract that

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and you have the appendix the annex at

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the end which is a couple of pages long

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I would suspect something similar in the

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classified section so are we only

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talking about 12 13 14 pages and the

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classified report

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that

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seems a little strange doesn't it now

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we know that in the unclassified section

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of the report they referenced

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144 cases that were investigated

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144. so how can that be covered in under

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20 Pages it doesn't make any sense

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probably only 14 I'm guessing if there's

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a title page like there is in the

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unclassified section it doesn't make a

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whole lot of sense 144 cases one which

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was solved so that's 143 cases remember

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the one solved case was the deflating

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balloon and uh which

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um I think many have guessed and I'm

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gonna say this probably is the uh Jeremy

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Corbell leaked video of the balloon that

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went down over the horizon the deflating

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balloon was probably that I don't I

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don't know for certain but I'm feeling

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the where where are we left with well

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first off those that have commented

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publicly including Danny Sheehan who was

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on the show on Monday and mentioned uh

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that the classified section of the

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report was over 400 pages and I had

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asked Danny I said wait whoa uh are you

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sure I think the number is around 70 and

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he said no it's 144 cases and it's 400

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plus pages that would make a lot of

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sense to me

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um but so we have Danny and then we have

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others including

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um

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uh Lou Elizondo

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um who on this show didn't specifically

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I'd have to go back and listen but I my

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memory is that he didn't specifically

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mention a page count he may have on

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another program but I have heard

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mentions of you know 70 to 74 pages from

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Lou now

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which also to me makes a lot of sense uh

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compared to 17 pages that doesn't make

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any sense so what do we deduce from this

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well could it be that those out there

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that have made mention uh to the 70 page

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number and certainly uh Danny Sheehan's

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400 page reference is that

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a preliminary version of the report

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one that hasn't been published yet did

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they have access to that I think there's

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a strong possibility

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um 17 Pages no it's got to be the first

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version of the report and there's

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something more complete coming out in

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the future I'm only saying this because

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of logic and I'm looking at this

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logically in that there's no way that 17

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Pages cover

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144 143 cases

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it it just doesn't make any sense

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there's not enough room there also in

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this 17-page classified section of the

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report is there any references to

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videos

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right are there video links is this an

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electronic version of the report you can

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click and look at videos in their other

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comments I don't know is there

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photographic evidence and images in the

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17 pages of the report with links that

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wouldn't take up a whole lot of page

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room

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140 443 of those I don't know

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I think that's it and and equally

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interesting part of an analysis that we

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have to look at with these 17 pages

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now that being said

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the version of the class unclassified uh

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uh report that we have all seen

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was incomplete there wasn't any real

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conclusions except for the one

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uh investigation

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there wasn't any conclusions there the

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report definitely stated over and over

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again that we know nothing all right

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that we don't know a whole lot there

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were 18 cases of near misses and pilots

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and erratic behavior of some of these uh

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uaps uh UFOs if you will so there was

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mention of that but there wasn't a whole

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lot there

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could the classified version of the

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report

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basically say the same thing

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I'm feeling that it probably does I

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don't know

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that it's a whole lot different than the

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unclassified version except

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that the classified version of the

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report probably mentions

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methods of investigation and sources

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coming back in and that would be

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classified and not for public

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consumption that would make a whole lot

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of sense to me too

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it feels to me and I don't know but it

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feels to me that the classified and the

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unclassified versions

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are probably pretty close to being the

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same thing I know that there is a lot of

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disappointment

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um out there I did uh post uh and I saw

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everybody's comments I'm trying to get

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back to them now uh the comments from

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everybody out there there's a lot of

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disappointment

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and I understand that because I have it

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too I was

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I was hoping for

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a gnarly 400 page report 700 page report

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that we would eventually get the

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classified version of it with redactions

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but we would see some effort

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um clearly that is not the case the

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other part for me uh with the classified

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version of of this report

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is that it has to be it has to be an

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intro to something coming in the future

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that this is a suggestion to those uh

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members of the Senate intelligence

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committee that this is what is coming in

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the future there is another part to this

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that I need to meet uh need to be very

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clear on

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the inter-agency communication through

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all of the branches of the military and

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the FBI and and the nro in the NSA and

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the CIA and every other uh

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every other agency and and sections of

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the Department of Defense that

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communication is very complex and how

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could this communication go down over

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180 day period vet that information look

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at it and get it into this report in a

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timely manner in 180 days that seems to

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be an impossible task

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so

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with that and I'm not giving an excuse

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happening with all of these agencies and

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branches of the military hence only a

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17-page classified version of this

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report we will see tomorrow with a John

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I am your host Jimmy Church another

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historic day another one it's been crazy

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this last couple of months in this past

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couple of weeks and what does Ross

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kothart think what does he know well

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he's going to be up with this next and

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we are going to discuss his new book in

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plain sight and all of his investigative

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all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I

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am your host Jimmy Church very important

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show tonight

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Ross colthar joins us live from

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Australia we are going to be discussing

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uh his new book in plain sight an

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investigation into UFOs and impossible

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science

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but there's a whole lot more going on

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right now and I've really been looking

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forward to this show Ross is of course

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an investigative journalist most

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recently for Australian news in 60

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Minutes on channel 9. he has won five

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mackley journalism Awards including the

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gold mackley a logi award lucky award

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hello to you more in 2002 Ross won the

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gold medal at the New York Film Festival

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for best International report and in

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2008 he uncovered one of the biggest

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ever medical scandals in Australia the

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Butcher of bega Ross is also the

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co-author of two best-selling books a

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dead man running and above the law both

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expose on organized crime and

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international Outlaw motorcycle gangs

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which means Ross is currently on the run

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his latest book is in plain sight an

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investigation into UFO is an impossible

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science where he reveals a story largely

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ignored by mainstream media idea but

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right there right now in front of our

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eyes I'm going to get straight to it I

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want to welcome live from Australia Ross

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coleford Ross good evening young man how

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you doing

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g'day Jimmy how I am it I'm not doing as

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good as you looking at the background of

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where you are right now but Ross before

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we get started you get the First Time

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guest disclaimer

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you ready

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it's just you and I sitting on my couch

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having a conversation as friends and

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where the conversation starts it starts

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where it ends it ends but we're gonna

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end as friends there you go you ready

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that's very sweet yeah that's lovely

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it's uh you know it's so funny when I

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have a First Time guest on and I hit him

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with that they they usually back up like

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what but uh there you go and um uh I

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want to say this before we get started

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uh you and I both know that we've been

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putting uh tonight's show together for

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for a couple of months uh tonight didn't

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just happen and we've been working at

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this but you also put in a huge effort

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over the last week to make sure that

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tonight happened and I want to

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personally thank you for for all of that

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we don't need to get into the details

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but uh I I thank you I absolutely uh

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thank you for uh making sure that this

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happened tonight

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um it's a very genuine pleasure yes yes

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and and and again thank you thank you

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um I want to actually uh start in a in a

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very strange place because we've got so

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much to discuss tonight and I want to

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try to get it all in but I want to start

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here I've been following uh you for

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quite a while now and uh I've been

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reading and I've been watching and

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listening

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you

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extensive and I've interviewed everybody

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and I've listened to your comments and

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your knowledge base it's a it's

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extraordinary do you look at yourself

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like that and how much research do you

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actually do

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I have to say Jimmy for the last two

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years I've done nothing else all I've

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done is the subject of uaps I've I about

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uh two years ago I left 60 minutes and

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uh funnily enough it was one of the

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stories I always wanted to do for 60

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minutes but because of the stigma and

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ridicule attached to the subject even

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though I was already in touch with Chris

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Mellon at the time and Chris was Keen to

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engage right about 2015 2016 I spoke to

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him and I was really Keen to get a story

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going on Australian television which

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could be networked internationally which

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looked at the UAP subject because I had

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people in intelligence and defense both

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in Australia and in the US who were

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saying to me listen Ross this is a

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legitimate story for an investigative

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journalist and I I'll freely admit Jimmy

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I came into it thinking this is [\h__\h]

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this is a a rubbish story I was very

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skeptical uh like most journalists I had

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a taboo a stigma that I attached to the

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subject of uaps

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but um on the encouragement of a number

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of people and after I did a bit of

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historical research I came to realize

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this is an entirely legitimate area for

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a mainstream investigative journalist to

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dip their toe and the more I got into it

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the more I was astonished because one of

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the things you look for as an

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investigative journalist is areas where

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you can reveal stuff that people don't

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yet know where you can actually dig and

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find stuff out that isn't yet revealed

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and I was amazed because what I found

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was that because the mainstream media

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has essentially attached such a taboo

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such a stigma such a ridicule to the

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subject of uaps for so long it stayed

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away from the subject and I was

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pleasantly surprised that when I engaged

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with people both in the Australian

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intelligence services and Defense Force

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privately and spoke to them on a

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background basis and then when I started

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engaging at their encouragement with

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people in the U.S Air Force various

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three-letter agencies in the United

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States I was given briefings I'd take

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time out from when I was over there for

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60 minutes and I'd sit down in

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Washington DC with people who very

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kindly gave me their time because we're

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a very close Ally of America and I found

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people were encouraging me to take a

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look at this subject rather than

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ridicule which is what I expected there

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was a willingness to engage people were

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actually very very keen to see me

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investigating the subject and they gave

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me a few tips about people I should

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speak to so I've been looking at it for

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two years and I can see that I've Got

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Friends in mainstream journalism who are

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rushing to catch up with me because

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there's a growing interest now I think

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in the subject it's become fashionable

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to start looking at the subject but with

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the exception of people like Ralph

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Blumenthal Leslie Kane Brian bender and

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a few of the specialist shows like the

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DB brief your show I mean it's been

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largely un uh you know uncovered by

830
00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:22,020
mainstream media it's been largely

831
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:24,119
ignored and I think that's beginning to

832
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:27,780
change I I've told this story many times

833
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:31,140
I'm going to give The Abridged a version

834
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:34,380
of it which is this when I was uh in

835
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:37,800
school for journalism and broadcast uh

836
00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:40,740
one of our instructors uh who worked for

837
00:42:46,270 --> 00:42:42,020
CNN

838
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:46,280
I uh I I said to him one day Ross I said

839
00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:48,540
what would you do

840
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,180
if you had a UFO story right and he's no

841
00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:56,160
no and I said no what what would you do

842
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:57,720
would you go to your news he said that's

843
00:43:02,030 --> 00:43:00,420
the kiss of death that's the one thing

844
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:02,040
you don't do as a professional

845
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:06,319
journalist is is cover UFO stories and

846
00:43:14,089 --> 00:43:10,619
for you you know you are uh very much

847
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:14,099
respected in Australia for for doing

848
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,619
investigative journalism but now you're

849
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:18,960
going to dip your toe into the one taboo

850
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:22,079
of all of media that one doesn't do

851
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,380
right were you reticent at first

852
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,480
that look to be honest Jimmy I'm drawn

853
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,460
to those kind of stories I love a good

854
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:30,960
yarn where people tell me that you're

855
00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:33,060
not meant to look at a subject I'm drawn

856
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:34,859
to it one of the other subjects that

857
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:36,660
people constantly say you're not allowed

858
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:38,819
to look at is global warming science

859
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:41,880
there's a huge stigma about the media

860
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,220
investigating scientific claims made

861
00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:46,800
about global warming and I'm not a

862
00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:48,839
global warming skeptic by any means I

863
00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:51,000
believe in anthropogenic global warming

864
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:52,980
but one thing that shocks me are the

865
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:55,560
lies that have been told by established

866
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,200
mainstream science using bogus

867
00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:00,960
mathematical models to support bogus

868
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,780
bunkum claims about global warming and

869
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:05,520
it's really interesting because I've

870
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:07,319
I've been yelled at I've actually been

871
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:10,020
screamed at on podiums in media when

872
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:11,700
I've actually raised this as an issue

873
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:13,740
and I've had media say to me you

874
00:44:17,809 --> 00:44:15,480
shouldn't touch that subject you know

875
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:17,819
you can't say that sort of stuff and I'm

876
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:21,000
going we're not we're not Advocates uh

877
00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:22,680
one of the things I'm worried about when

878
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:24,599
people describe me as a UFO journalist

879
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:26,940
is I'm not an Advocate necessarily for

880
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:31,040
UFO transparency what I am though is I I

881
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:34,140
my job is to find out things that people

882
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:38,160
don't know that should be known and I in

883
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:39,660
the same way that would say for example

884
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,940
the taboo of global warming science so

885
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:44,400
I'm fascinated with the taboo of uaps

886
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:47,940
UFOs why why is there this stigma that's

887
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:50,700
attached to this subject and one of the

888
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:52,200
things I did one of the people in

889
00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:54,540
America that I spoke to from the CIA was

890
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,700
a former very senior executive and the

891
00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:59,280
CIA and they said to me have a look at

892
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:01,619
our history go into the CIA library and

893
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,060
have a look at our history and you'll

894
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,760
understand and I did and what amazed me

895
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:07,440
was that there were reports that went

896
00:45:13,450 --> 00:45:10,140
right back to the 1950s and the 1960s

897
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:13,460
where a decision was made in the CIA

898
00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:17,040
that it had to tampon down to dampen

899
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:19,980
done public interest in UFOs the

900
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,720
official reason was because there were

901
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,640
too many reports that were muddying the

902
00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:25,260
waters for people trying to monitor

903
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:27,420
offer incursions by Foreign aircraft

904
00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:30,180
into American airspace but you can read

905
00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:32,040
between the lines and you can say that

906
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,140
there was a very clear transparent

907
00:45:39,849 --> 00:45:36,720
effort made by senior levels of the NSA

908
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:39,859
the CIA the the Air Force in particular

909
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,599
which I see as a key Rogue in this whole

910
00:45:47,809 --> 00:45:45,359
Affair which you've basically tried to

911
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:47,819
shut down media scrutiny of the subject

912
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:50,220
and the strategy that they used was

913
00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:52,980
ridicule they used stigma and it worked

914
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:55,560
really well a lot of people think that

915
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:57,180
in the media there are these men in

916
00:46:00,890 --> 00:45:59,160
black that walk into newsrooms and tell

917
00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:00,900
people like me as an editor of a

918
00:46:04,930 --> 00:46:02,520
newspaper or a chief of staff of a

919
00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:04,940
newspaper you shall not run that story

920
00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:07,800
you don't have to do that if you attach

921
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:11,160
a ridicule to a subject and so I can

922
00:46:14,770 --> 00:46:12,839
remember on the Sydney Morning Herald in

923
00:46:18,589 --> 00:46:14,780
around about

924
00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:18,599
1989 1990 I was on the desk the news

925
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,940
desk on a Sunday and I was a very young

926
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:23,040
Chief of Staff managing the desk and

927
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:24,420
people were calling us up with story

928
00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:26,460
ideas and I remember a woman called in

929
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:28,680
from Parramatta which is a part of

930
00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:31,560
western Sydney and she said I've just

931
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:33,780
taken the most incredible photograph of

932
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:36,839
a UFO and in those days it was film

933
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,720
cameras but she ended up sending me the

934
00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:41,520
photograph and it was an amazingly clear

935
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:43,319
photograph of what looked like a

936
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:45,240
lenticular disc hovering over her house

937
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:47,700
it was quite absurd and I remember

938
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,740
excitedly going to the editor of the

939
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,359
newspaper in the day and basically

940
00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:53,520
saying we've got a great story about a

941
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,380
UFO and he looked at me as if I was a

942
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:57,960
piece of dog [\h__\h] and basically said why

943
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:00,359
why would you do a story about UFOs

944
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:02,940
Roscoe we don't do stories about UFOs

945
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:04,619
and I said why

946
00:47:10,270 --> 00:47:07,079
and and there has been this resistance

947
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,280
in the media for so long I I remember uh

948
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,200
in various public affairs shows over the

949
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,359
years that I've been part of I've been

950
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:17,280
in TV public affairs now in Australia

951
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,660
for over 35 years and the the editors of

952
00:47:27,770 --> 00:47:23,760
different programs would kind of giggle

953
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:27,780
nervously when I raised UFOs UFA uaps

954
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:31,200
but one of the breakthroughs for me was

955
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:33,960
purely by chance as it happened I was in

956
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:37,380
London for one public affairs show and a

957
00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:39,300
story fell over as they often do I think

958
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:41,099
it was a celebrity interview and we had

959
00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:42,900
nothing to do in London for a week or

960
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:45,900
two and my editor said to me don't you

961
00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:48,180
have a yarn somewhere in England that

962
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,500
you've been saying you want to do for

963
00:47:53,809 --> 00:47:51,359
years and I said Oh you mean the

964
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:53,819
rendersham UFO story and he went yeah

965
00:48:00,049 --> 00:47:57,000
yeah and so we interviewed Charles Holt

966
00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:00,059
who was the colonel uh who had sat at

967
00:48:04,910 --> 00:48:03,000
the raft bent Waters base and he'd seen

968
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:04,920
this weird object hovering through the

969
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:07,260
trees at the in the forest adjacent to

970
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:09,480
the raft base and this was a base where

971
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:11,460
nuclear weapons were stored and Charles

972
00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:13,800
Holt was incredible Talent he was an

973
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:15,960
extraordinarily well-informed highly

974
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,839
intelligent man highly credible and we

975
00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:20,700
interviewed I think Chris French who was

976
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,680
a British skeptic who said oh yes yes

977
00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:24,720
yes it was absolutely it was offeredness

978
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:26,819
lighthouse no doubt at all about it it

979
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:29,220
was offeredness lighthouse and we went

980
00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:30,900
out there and we looked at where Charles

981
00:48:34,849 --> 00:48:33,300
had said he'd seen the object and we

982
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:34,859
spoke to his colleagues who'd been there

983
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:36,359
with him and we looked at the compass

984
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:38,700
bearings we we did our homework we did

985
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:40,680
what journalists are meant to do

986
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:42,540
and we realized it couldn't be the

987
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:44,520
bloody Orford net Lighthouse it was I

988
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:45,900
mean more importantly the lighthouse

989
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:48,180
didn't shine Inland it Shone out to sea

990
00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:50,339
it was an absurd notion that the skeptic

991
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:52,680
had come up with but he got away with

992
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:56,040
pushing that line for 20 or 30 years and

993
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:57,960
he'd been using that to debunk the whole

994
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:00,540
story of rathbent waters UFO sightings

995
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,500
for years and then the more I dug we ran

996
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,480
we ran a story in the end about the

997
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:08,880
lenticular triangular UFOs that were

998
00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:12,359
seen over the UK and the Europe in um

999
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:15,540
the late 80s particularly over Belgium

1000
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:17,460
and I remember I interviewed the chief

1001
00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:20,040
of staff of the Belgium Air Force

1002
00:49:24,829 --> 00:49:22,500
Wilfred debrauer who eventually went

1003
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:24,839
public in 2001 and in the disclosure

1004
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,280
conference

1005
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,559
Story I mean for me as a journal it was

1006
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,839
a wake-up call because that story went

1007
00:49:36,589 --> 00:49:33,839
nuts it went absolutely nuts for the

1008
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:36,599
switchboard on channel 7 the network

1009
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:39,000
where I ran the story literally went

1010
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:40,980
into meltdown they couldn't take or

1011
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,380
receive calls other than UFO calls for

1012
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,720
about a day

1013
00:49:49,309 --> 00:49:47,280
thousands tens of thousands of viewers

1014
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:49,319
were calling to tell us their stories

1015
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,540
and it was like we'd unlocked this damn

1016
00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:53,760
Gates and there's a great saying I

1017
00:49:58,849 --> 00:49:56,220
really love called the wisdom of the

1018
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:58,859
crowd which is that the punters the

1019
00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:02,160
public know a lot more than we pompous

1020
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:05,099
jerks in the media know and and they'll

1021
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,380
tell us what they think are the Yarns

1022
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,559
what are the real stories and I'm struck

1023
00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:13,200
by the fact that anytime a UFO story

1024
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:16,500
runs it rates its socks off and my

1025
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:19,859
bosses at Channel 7 realized that so the

1026
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,140
most recent documentary I made with the

1027
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,000
UFO phenomenon which I think aired a

1028
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:25,680
month or two ago in Australia and it's

1029
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:27,300
been bootlegged all around the world now

1030
00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:29,160
to my great Amusement

1031
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:31,980
um that that story was made because the

1032
00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:33,780
executive producer of the new program

1033
00:50:37,970 --> 00:50:35,940
that I'm working for called Spotlight in

1034
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:37,980
Australia he's the same guy who

1035
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:39,540
remembered the story that I made on ref

1036
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:41,400
bent Waters and as soon as I told him I

1037
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:44,339
had a UFO story he went hoorah let's run

1038
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:47,520
it because UFO story is right and and

1039
00:50:52,190 --> 00:50:49,260
they do like you know it was the highest

1040
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,200
rating story that's aired on that

1041
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:54,720
television network that year the the

1042
00:51:01,130 --> 00:50:57,000
level of audience response to that story

1043
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:01,140
has been incredible and frankly I don't

1044
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:04,260
care this is what I come to I don't care

1045
00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:06,839
that yes there's been a few sarcastic

1046
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,440
comments from mainstream media jerks one

1047
00:51:14,329 --> 00:51:11,760
of them was a business newspaper

1048
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,339
reporter who wrote that veteran

1049
00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:16,440
investigative reporter Ross coultart has

1050
00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:18,420
become a tinfoil hat crazy because he's

1051
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,480
writing a book on UFOs and frankly

1052
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:23,280
they're the ones that are missing out

1053
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:26,040
this is a bloody good story and I'm I'm

1054
00:51:31,309 --> 00:51:28,380
chasing this now like a dog on a bone

1055
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,319
because I've had so much fresh new

1056
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:33,599
interesting information come in the door

1057
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:36,780
not just from experiences people who had

1058
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:38,760
sightings but from people in the

1059
00:51:42,589 --> 00:51:40,740
military people in the Defense Force in

1060
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:42,599
the intelligence Services civilian

1061
00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:46,380
Pilots I have been over overwhelmed the

1062
00:51:50,329 --> 00:51:47,880
estimate now that I've got I haven't

1063
00:51:53,329 --> 00:51:50,339
even bothered to count them but last

1064
00:51:56,750 --> 00:51:53,339
time I checked the emails messages that

1065
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:56,760
I'd had on media were well over 11 000

1066
00:52:01,790 --> 00:51:59,400
and sadly I've been moving house the

1067
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:01,800
last couple of weeks as you know and so

1068
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,440
I'm dying to get back into it to get my

1069
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,480
teeth into this story because there's so

1070
00:52:12,049 --> 00:52:09,119
much new information so many new verdant

1071
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,059
areas for investigation and as an

1072
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:13,680
investigative journalist

1073
00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:16,920
I'm excited because I know I can break

1074
00:52:22,130 --> 00:52:19,140
stuff that other people aren't looking

1075
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:22,140
at and that's the definition of what we

1076
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,660
should be doing as journalists and the

1077
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:26,400
fact that the mainstream media has

1078
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,160
allowed itself to be seduced by this

1079
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:31,680
narrative that there's a taboo a stigma

1080
00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:35,880
associated with uaps UA UFOs I just

1081
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:38,099
think is crazy it doesn't reflect well

1082
00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:41,220
on us as media we've failed

1083
00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:45,180
I uh I have become a spotlight addict by

1084
00:52:49,069 --> 00:52:47,339
the way I'm just gonna let you know I've

1085
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:49,079
been watching all of it

1086
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:55,980
um uh was there was there one event one

1087
00:53:02,329 --> 00:52:59,880
UFO UAP moment for you where you just

1088
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:02,339
went okay hold on there's something

1089
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,920
going on here what what was that was it

1090
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:07,200
Randall shim or was it something else

1091
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:09,960
no it was earlier when I was 16 years

1092
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:13,800
old in Christmas of 1978 there was an

1093
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:15,660
incident that you'd know of Jimmy called

1094
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,000
the kaikoura lights incident that took

1095
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:19,680
place over the south island of New

1096
00:53:25,069 --> 00:53:22,260
Zealand and at the time like everybody

1097
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:25,079
else I bought the government explanation

1098
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:28,680
that the kaikoura lights were simply

1099
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:31,740
reflections of fishing boats squid boats

1100
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:34,020
that were operating on the water off

1101
00:53:38,329 --> 00:53:36,599
clouds and the Air Force came out with

1102
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:38,339
an explanation that these lights that

1103
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:39,900
had been filmed by an Australian

1104
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:43,200
cameraman called Quentin Fogerty and

1105
00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:45,540
seen by the pilot on board and the

1106
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,160
co-pilot and by another journalist

1107
00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:49,440
called Dennis grant that they were all

1108
00:53:53,450 --> 00:53:51,180
confused and they didn't understand what

1109
00:53:56,329 --> 00:53:53,460
they'd seen and I I guess we were a lot

1110
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,339
more used to governments telling us what

1111
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:58,319
to think back then because as a 16 year

1112
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:00,599
old boy I was going into law school and

1113
00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:03,240
studying at law school I I kind of

1114
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:05,339
accepted in a kind of an authoritarian

1115
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:07,140
way well the government's told me the

1116
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:09,240
explanation that's the end of it

1117
00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:12,599
and then when I was in my first year of

1118
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:15,900
University in Wellington in New Zealand

1119
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:18,300
my sister had a party

1120
00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:21,240
and I met an air traffic controller from

1121
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:22,740
Wellington Airport

1122
00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:24,599
and I said to him I said oh that was a

1123
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:26,339
really funny incident that kaikoura

1124
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:28,500
lights incident and he went yeah it was

1125
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:30,180
and he said what do you know about it

1126
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,099
and I said I I know that the official

1127
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:33,839
explanation eventually from the Air

1128
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:35,400
Force was that it was all [\h__\h] and

1129
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,839
you know it was just squid boat lights

1130
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:38,880
and he went

1131
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:40,920
they weren't [\h__\h] squid boat lights

1132
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,460
he said they he said they were they were

1133
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:47,040
not squid boat lights he said I saw

1134
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:50,220
those on my radar screen and um the

1135
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:52,260
interesting thing is John Cordy who's

1136
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,319
now in his 80s is still alive he's the

1137
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,880
air traffic controller who was one of

1138
00:55:01,309 --> 00:54:58,559
two men at Wellington airport that night

1139
00:55:03,289 --> 00:55:01,319
who was 30 to 40 miles across Cook

1140
00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:03,299
Strait from where this incident occurred

1141
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:05,700
and you had a cargo aircraft carrying

1142
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,400
newspapers to a town called Blenheim in

1143
00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:10,559
the south island of New Zealand which

1144
00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:13,559
was piloted by Captain startup a

1145
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,940
wonderful old geezer who I also

1146
00:55:19,069 --> 00:55:16,799
interviewed anyway it was one of my

1147
00:55:21,049 --> 00:55:19,079
first stories so I wrote that story up

1148
00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:21,059
for the student newspaper in Wellington

1149
00:55:25,609 --> 00:55:23,220
in New Zealand you know there was a

1150
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:25,619
contrary argument a contrarian story to

1151
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,720
the uh to the explanation that had been

1152
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:29,760
given by the New Zealand Air Force and

1153
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:32,339
it was picked up by the New Zealand

1154
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,200
Herald newspaper which was a paper I

1155
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:37,200
went on to work for and at one stage

1156
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,579
when I was working for the New Zealand

1157
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,040
Herald I met the former prime minister

1158
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:43,440
of New Zealand Robert Muldoon Peggy

1159
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:45,660
Muldoon as we used to call him

1160
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:49,500
and Robert Muldoon is now dead but he

1161
00:55:54,289 --> 00:55:51,180
admitted to me when I asked him about

1162
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:54,299
kaikoura that that there had been an

1163
00:55:59,809 --> 00:55:56,460
approach made to him as prime minister

1164
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:59,819
of New Zealand by the then CIA station

1165
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:01,920
at the American Embassy in Wellington

1166
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,559
who'd asked him to try and temp and Dan

1167
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,440
to dampen down coverage of the kaikoura

1168
00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:09,599
incident and Muldoon admitted to me

1169
00:56:14,329 --> 00:56:12,420
flatly that that he'd been encouraged to

1170
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,339
basically play it all down and find an

1171
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:16,559
explanation and he sort of he went yeah

1172
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,900
yeah he says yeah the uh the squid boat

1173
00:56:24,289 --> 00:56:20,400
lights thing was a bit of [\h__\h] but

1174
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:24,299
you know it it did it did the job and

1175
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:27,720
the the the interesting thing is uh I

1176
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:30,119
came to Australia chasing a career in

1177
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:33,480
journalism and I started working for the

1178
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:36,660
equivalent of PBS which is the ABC the

1179
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:38,579
Australian broadcasting commission and I

1180
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:40,920
was a very young investigative reporter

1181
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:42,900
on a show very prestigious show called

1182
00:56:48,289 --> 00:56:45,240
four quarters which is like Frontline in

1183
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:48,299
the U.S okay and I was doing a story

1184
00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:51,839
with the Australian Air Force and the

1185
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:54,660
Very senior members of the Australian

1186
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,940
Air Force who were escorting as Iran for

1187
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,319
this story

1188
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:00,720
invited us for a drink in the mess in

1189
00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:03,540
the bar and the

1190
00:57:08,270 --> 00:57:05,579
very senior member of the Air Force

1191
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:08,280
after about two beers lend across to me

1192
00:57:12,770 --> 00:57:10,020
and said

1193
00:57:16,910 --> 00:57:12,780
could I ask you something Ross why don't

1194
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:19,370
and I went well

1195
00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:22,140
because they're [\h__\h] their stories

1196
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:24,780
about you know it's it's rubbish you

1197
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,460
know and uh and I kind of giggled

1198
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:28,319
nervously like many journalists do when

1199
00:57:32,809 --> 00:57:29,700
they're approached about the subject of

1200
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,819
UFOs and he went no they're not

1201
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,859
and then we're sitting in this mess full

1202
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:37,680
of offices flying officers in who flew

1203
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:39,839
fighter jets and cargo aircraft in a

1204
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,540
base called um Richmond in Sydney and

1205
00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:44,640
Northwest Sydney and he's summonsing

1206
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,140
over people saying come over come over

1207
00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:48,480
come on tell Ross your story and the

1208
00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:49,980
next thing I know I'm talking to fighter

1209
00:57:54,349 --> 00:57:52,500
jet pilots who told me that they've had

1210
00:57:56,030 --> 00:57:54,359
lenticular discs hovering off their

1211
00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:56,040
right wing

1212
00:58:01,069 --> 00:57:58,500
um there was a cargo pilot uh no sorry

1213
00:58:02,809 --> 00:58:01,079
it was a P3 Orion pilot who did long

1214
00:58:05,329 --> 00:58:02,819
range surveillance in the Indian Ocean

1215
00:58:07,789 --> 00:58:05,339
and he told me he'd seen objects coming

1216
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:07,799
up out of the ocean in the Indian Ocean

1217
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,420
the P3 being the the radar plane uh that

1218
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,640
uh yeah yeah it flies up and down the

1219
00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:15,839
coast

1220
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:17,640
um and you beat and you beat me to it

1221
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:19,619
because what he also told me was that

1222
00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:22,200
his radar operators saw this object

1223
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:25,380
moving at literally I think it was 25

1224
00:58:30,109 --> 00:58:27,839
000 miles an hour on their radar screen

1225
00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:30,119
that's incredible that's incredible yeah

1226
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,540
and he saw it with his own eyes and so I

1227
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:35,760
think I guess I was primed very early on

1228
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,640
in my career in journalism for the fact

1229
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:41,040
that there is a counter narrative here

1230
00:58:45,250 --> 00:58:43,380
and I've always been intrigued as a

1231
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:45,260
journalist that there is this taboo

1232
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:48,900
associated with the subject of UFOs and

1233
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,520
minis the time I've sat down with

1234
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:52,799
editors of newspapers and TV stations

1235
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:55,799
and said why is there this taboo about

1236
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,160
UFOs why why is there this stigma and

1237
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,720
the reality is yes there are a lot of

1238
00:59:05,809 --> 00:59:03,359
crazy people out there who who tell UFO

1239
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:05,819
stories uh I don't know what to make of

1240
00:59:09,890 --> 00:59:07,500
abductions I'm not going to dismiss them

1241
00:59:12,589 --> 00:59:09,900
out of hand but I haven't gone into them

1242
00:59:14,510 --> 00:59:12,599
in my book but uh you know there are a

1243
00:59:18,170 --> 00:59:14,520
lot of weird people who've contacted me

1244
00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:18,180
since my documentary but uh uh I'm I'm

1245
00:59:22,010 --> 00:59:19,500
not going to dismiss it out of hand

1246
00:59:24,829 --> 00:59:22,020
there is a real phenomenon that's

1247
00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:24,839
official now the US has admitted that

1248
00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:26,940
and we are at a completely different

1249
00:59:31,789 --> 00:59:30,059
Paradigm now in journalism where

1250
00:59:33,950 --> 00:59:31,799
journalists come to me I've had people

1251
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:33,960
from some of your top newspapers in the

1252
00:59:38,690 --> 00:59:36,420
US I'm a member of a group called

1253
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:38,700
International Consortium of

1254
00:59:44,270 --> 00:59:41,880
investigative journalists icij based out

1255
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:44,280
of Washington DC and it's a

1256
00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:46,260
collaborative investigative journalists

1257
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,599
group that works all over the world and

1258
00:59:51,950 --> 00:59:50,160
some of the members of that organization

1259
00:59:54,589 --> 00:59:51,960
are aware that I'm writing a book and

1260
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,599
they've seen my documentary and they're

1261
00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:56,160
actually engaging with me in a very

1262
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,780
nervous way there was a guy from Spain

1263
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,280
the other day who got in touch with me

1264
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:00,960
and said are you aware of this sighting

1265
01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:03,839
you know and they're they're dipping

1266
01:00:11,089 --> 01:00:05,880
their toes into the water in the same

1267
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,099
way that I did way back in 1990 1991 for

1268
01:00:15,230 --> 01:00:13,440
Four Corners at the ABC and more

1269
01:00:17,210 --> 01:00:15,240
recently that I have done for channel 7

1270
01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:17,220
in Australia and I think people are

1271
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:18,839
starting to wake up to the fact that

1272
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,839
this is a legitimate story and I I don't

1273
01:00:26,329 --> 01:00:24,000
think people realize there's not some

1274
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,339
dark evil malevolent Force shutting is

1275
01:00:30,289 --> 01:00:29,040
done telling us not to run stories I've

1276
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:30,299
never had that happen to me in

1277
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,700
journalism but what there is is a

1278
01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:35,040
genuine fear of ridicule there's a fear

1279
01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:37,500
of stigma there's a taboo

1280
01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:40,380
well now a few have dipped their toes in

1281
01:00:48,049 --> 01:00:44,220
the water and uh they came out of it uh

1282
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,059
unscathed right so maybe maybe there's a

1283
01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:50,160
safe zone now let's take our first break

1284
01:00:58,270 --> 01:00:53,220
our guest night Ross culthart live I I

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01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:58,280
keep saying colfart it's cold heart

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yes hard tea hard tea this is Fade to

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Black I'm Yours Timmy church more with

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01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:06,000
Ross after this short break stay with us

1289
01:01:17,170 --> 01:01:08,290
we'll be right back

1290
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,180
[Music]

1291
01:01:26,770 --> 01:01:19,280
thank you

1292
01:01:29,870 --> 01:01:26,780
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Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

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01:06:41,569 --> 01:06:38,579
host Jimmy Church our guest tonight Ross

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01:06:48,049 --> 01:06:44,930
from Australia and uh

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01:06:51,170 --> 01:06:48,059
very very interesting conversation so

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01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:51,180
far Ross but uh a couple of things

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01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:53,940
before we get to uh all of these uh

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01:07:01,130 --> 01:06:57,119
crazy current events that are going on I

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01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:01,140
want to remind you later on I want to uh

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01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:04,680
discuss West Hall and there's a lot of

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01:07:10,010 --> 01:07:07,319
reasons for that but over the years when

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01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:10,020
people ask me you know what am I one of

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01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,500
my favorite cases and it we we have all

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01:07:19,870 --> 01:07:16,079
you know we can go ABCD but you know

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01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:19,880
what West Hall 1966 one of the most

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01:07:26,029 --> 01:07:23,880
incredible uh cases in all of ufology

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01:07:28,370 --> 01:07:26,039
and it happened right there in Australia

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01:07:30,829 --> 01:07:28,380
so I do want to Circle back uh to that

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01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:30,839
but let's get to uh let's get to what

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01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:33,660
you've been covering and

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01:07:39,890 --> 01:07:36,180
um your information and your research

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01:07:43,010 --> 01:07:39,900
very comprehensive and very compelling

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01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:43,020
um but I've got to go straight at it the

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01:07:50,329 --> 01:07:46,319
UAP task force report will get to the

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01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:50,339
17-page issue in just a bit but on June

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01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:53,940
25th when the report was released what

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01:07:58,609 --> 01:07:57,180
was your uh what was your first thoughts

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01:08:01,069 --> 01:07:58,619
I think like everybody I was

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01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:01,079
underwhelmed Jimmy it was uh I never

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01:08:06,829 --> 01:08:04,020
expected it to be too comprehensive uh

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01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:06,839
I'd had sources from inside government

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01:08:13,309 --> 01:08:10,079
tell me that it was essentially prepared

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01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:13,319
in a hurry to satisfy the call from both

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01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:15,900
congressmen and the public for some kind

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01:08:20,930 --> 01:08:18,600
of report I I personally I I understand

1427
01:08:23,930 --> 01:08:20,940
from Louis zondo and Chris Mellon that

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01:08:25,729 --> 01:08:23,940
the UAP task force was under resourced

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01:08:29,950 --> 01:08:25,739
dramatically under-resourced probably

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01:08:33,050 --> 01:08:29,960
deliberately and that their uh

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01:08:35,149 --> 01:08:33,060
their uh emphasis has been I think on

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01:08:37,249 --> 01:08:35,159
preparing a more thorough report for

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01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:37,259
later in the year actually while you and

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01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,339
I have been talking

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01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:40,319
um my good friend Keith basterfield has

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01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:43,679
just um let me know that um apparently

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01:08:47,870 --> 01:08:46,319
John greenwald's now being told by a

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01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:47,880
burner account that's allegedly

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01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:50,640
associated with Lou Elizondo that the

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01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:53,759
complete report was 78 Pages as at last

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01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,400
month so I don't know what that means

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01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,279
but basically somebody as usual inside

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01:09:02,510 --> 01:09:00,960
the US government and the defense

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01:09:06,289 --> 01:09:02,520
department is not being entirely

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01:09:08,209 --> 01:09:06,299
economical with the truth uh and uh I I

1446
01:09:10,370 --> 01:09:08,219
just think we have to take what's being

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01:09:12,769 --> 01:09:10,380
said with a huge grain of salt until we

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01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:12,779
know for sure what's coming

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01:09:19,309 --> 01:09:16,080
um so I'm going to do this right now

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01:09:21,950 --> 01:09:19,319
what do you think about the 17-page

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01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:21,960
classified version that is being

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01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:24,480
reported right now

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01:09:31,309 --> 01:09:27,000
question mark I'm live on the air with

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01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:31,319
Ross so I would love a comment

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01:09:36,370 --> 01:09:34,799
okay no that was just sent to Lou

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01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:36,380
okay okay

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01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:40,799
let's uh let's uh uh let's let that sit

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01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:43,380
right there and I will wait for his

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01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:47,040
response well yeah and now uh and again

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01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:48,960
directly

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01:09:57,290 --> 01:09:53,400
um what did you make of the lack of an

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01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:57,300
ET component uh to uh the public side of

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01:10:02,750 --> 01:10:00,239
the report because we know the UFO

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01:10:04,910 --> 01:10:02,760
Community was was chomping at the bit

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01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:04,920
and here it is we're gonna have

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01:10:10,610 --> 01:10:08,400
disclosure on June 25th and and that

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01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:10,620
wasn't there were you were you

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01:10:15,770 --> 01:10:13,320
anticipating an E.T component

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01:10:18,290 --> 01:10:15,780
no not necessarily because I'm not sure

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01:10:20,030 --> 01:10:18,300
it is ET I'm very much of the camp that

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01:10:22,130 --> 01:10:20,040
Jacques Vale has pushed for so many

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years which is that the the explanation

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01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:24,719
for this phenomenon may not in fact be

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01:10:31,610 --> 01:10:28,500
extra terrestrial it may be intra

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01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:31,620
terrestrial it may be inter-dimensional

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01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:34,980
it could be uh as has been postulated

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01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:36,800
humans from another another time

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01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:39,840
personally I I think that on the balance

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01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:41,880
of probabilities at least some of the

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01:10:46,669 --> 01:10:45,360
phenomenon is extraterrestrial but I

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01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:46,679
think we have to wait for the evidence

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01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:50,159
what I can say with certainty and I I

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01:10:54,649 --> 01:10:52,380
it's funny I had a conversation with a

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01:10:56,750 --> 01:10:54,659
very senior journalist who writes in

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01:10:59,149 --> 01:10:56,760
defense and Security in the U.S just a

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01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,159
few days ago and he rang me and asked

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01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,960
why I was giving this issue so much

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01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:02,400
credibility and I said well you've

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01:11:06,770 --> 01:11:04,140
missed it you've missed the whole point

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01:11:08,810 --> 01:11:06,780
the whole point is that the Pentagon in

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01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:08,820
I think it was either April or July last

1492
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:11,760
year formally acknowledged that it

1493
01:11:17,149 --> 01:11:13,860
cannot explain the phenom phenomena

1494
01:11:19,550 --> 01:11:17,159
which is described in the videos and

1495
01:11:21,530 --> 01:11:19,560
tracked on the different sensor data of

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01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:21,540
the Tic Tac the Gimbal and the go fast

1497
01:11:28,729 --> 01:11:24,540
and these nonsensical arguments with

1498
01:11:30,590 --> 01:11:28,739
assumed Skeptics online who go silly on

1499
01:11:33,229 --> 01:11:30,600
social media talking about whether it's

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01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:33,239
seagulls and things like that my sources

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01:11:37,070 --> 01:11:35,520
in government have told me that they've

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01:11:38,930 --> 01:11:37,080
excluded they've excluded Mosaic

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01:11:40,490 --> 01:11:38,940
Explorer but he looked at that issue of

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01:11:43,250 --> 01:11:40,500
course they have

1505
01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:43,260
um and and the fact that we now have on

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01:11:47,090 --> 01:11:45,060
the record the Pentagon the most

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01:11:49,490 --> 01:11:47,100
powerful military on the planet is

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01:11:52,729 --> 01:11:49,500
basically formally admitting it cannot

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01:11:55,370 --> 01:11:52,739
explain a technology which is

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01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,380
intelligently controlled which is doing

1511
01:12:01,250 --> 01:11:58,320
anomalous Maneuvers and speeds far

1512
01:12:04,010 --> 01:12:01,260
beyond known human science not only in

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01:12:06,530 --> 01:12:04,020
our atmosphere but underwater and also

1514
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:06,540
in orbit these are acknowledged

1515
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:07,920
phenomena

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01:12:12,830 --> 01:12:10,620
it's absurd I I just think we've got to

1517
01:12:14,810 --> 01:12:12,840
stop getting hung up on whether or not

1518
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,820
some skeptic basically says oh it must

1519
01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:17,040
be a reflection off a cockpit or it yeah

1520
01:12:21,709 --> 01:12:19,140
you know I'm sure some of the phenomena

1521
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:21,719
can be prosaically explained but the

1522
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:23,820
reality is we are now in a completely

1523
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:26,460
new paradigm and my sources inside

1524
01:12:33,050 --> 01:12:29,520
defense in the U.S and also in Australia

1525
01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:33,060
are somewhat bemused by the way that um

1526
01:12:38,209 --> 01:12:36,300
social media Twitter kind of consumes

1527
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:38,219
Itself by

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01:12:42,050 --> 01:12:38,820
um

1529
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,060
basically reverting back defaulting back

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01:12:46,669 --> 01:12:44,400
to Well there must be a prosaic

1531
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:46,679
explanation when we've gone beyond that

1532
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:49,920
point we're now at the stage where what

1533
01:12:56,090 --> 01:12:53,280
we can say with certainty is people such

1534
01:12:57,890 --> 01:12:56,100
as Louis zondo the former head of the

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01:13:00,590 --> 01:12:57,900
government's UFO investigation program

1536
01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:00,600
people such as Christopher melon the

1537
01:13:05,390 --> 01:13:02,820
former deputy assistant director of

1538
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:05,400
Defense people like those people are

1539
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:09,060
saying this is not capable of prosaic

1540
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:12,000
explanation it's not a technology that

1541
01:13:16,490 --> 01:13:14,100
is known to be within the arsenals of

1542
01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:16,500
either Russia or China and it's

1543
01:13:20,990 --> 01:13:18,300
certainly not a technology that either

1544
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:21,000
of them have been briefed into

1545
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:24,120
that leaves you with a very narrow band

1546
01:13:29,930 --> 01:13:27,600
of alternative explanations

1547
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:29,940
um in my mind there is still a plausible

1548
01:13:35,570 --> 01:13:33,120
possibility that deep within some

1549
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,580
section of private Aerospace there is a

1550
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:37,199
company that was entrusted with

1551
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:40,080
technology that the U.S Air Force uh

1552
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,480
offloaded from the public domain through

1553
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:44,880
the department of energy maybe as far

1554
01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:47,460
back as 1989 at the end of the Cold War

1555
01:13:54,010 --> 01:13:50,760
and maybe it all went black as the

1556
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,020
so-called Admiral Wilson memo attests

1557
01:14:00,050 --> 01:13:57,120
maybe somewhere in private Aerospace in

1558
01:14:01,970 --> 01:14:00,060
a cave in Area 51 there's a there's a

1559
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:01,980
couple of UFOs that are jacked up on

1560
01:14:04,729 --> 01:14:03,420
blocks and there are scientists

1561
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,739
scratching their heads trying to

1562
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,960
understand that technology maybe that's

1563
01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:08,159
a possibility

1564
01:14:12,770 --> 01:14:10,980
or maybe it is extraterrestrial or maybe

1565
01:14:16,010 --> 01:14:12,780
and this is the thing that really scares

1566
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:16,020
me most of all maybe our and I say our

1567
01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:18,239
as in the United States Australia

1568
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:20,760
England uh you know Canada New Zealand

1569
01:14:25,970 --> 01:14:23,520
the Yakuza five eyes group

1570
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:25,980
the thing that scares me the most as an

1571
01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:28,080
ally inside that group is the notion

1572
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:30,780
that authoritarian regimes like China or

1573
01:14:35,930 --> 01:14:32,940
Russia might get to that technology

1574
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:35,940
first because my sources are telling me

1575
01:14:40,490 --> 01:14:38,880
whether I want to believe it or not they

1576
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:40,500
are telling me that there is a quiet

1577
01:14:46,729 --> 01:14:43,620
cold war going on for Mastery of this

1578
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:46,739
technology that that there indeed as has

1579
01:14:51,410 --> 01:14:49,199
been reported in the New York Times as

1580
01:14:54,770 --> 01:14:51,420
has been said repeatedly by numerous

1581
01:14:57,410 --> 01:14:54,780
officials there is indeed recovered

1582
01:14:59,330 --> 01:14:57,420
technology now I don't know what that

1583
01:15:02,450 --> 01:14:59,340
means when Lou talks about recovered

1584
01:15:04,970 --> 01:15:02,460
exotic technology especially not when he

1585
01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:04,980
starts talking about vehicles or craft

1586
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:08,340
that implies something very constructed

1587
01:15:13,310 --> 01:15:11,280
very intelligently designed but other

1588
01:15:16,130 --> 01:15:13,320
sources inside government have told me

1589
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:16,140
one of them was a guy called nat cobitz

1590
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,560
who was the former head of

1591
01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:21,120
Science and Technology development for

1592
01:15:26,450 --> 01:15:24,120
the U.S Navy Nat admitted to me before

1593
01:15:29,570 --> 01:15:26,460
he passed away from cancer over a year

1594
01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:29,580
ago now that he was briefed as the

1595
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:32,460
Director of essentially r d in the U.S

1596
01:15:38,689 --> 01:15:36,239
Navy he was briefed into a UFO retrieval

1597
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:38,699
program he was told that there were

1598
01:15:43,550 --> 01:15:41,280
multiple recovered craft

1599
01:15:47,149 --> 01:15:43,560
now I said to him did you see this stuff

1600
01:15:49,490 --> 01:15:47,159
did you see these craft and he said no

1601
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:49,500
but he did tell me subsequently that

1602
01:15:53,330 --> 01:15:50,880
there were

1603
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:53,340
um uh there was one incident that he was

1604
01:15:59,930 --> 01:15:56,159
he was involved in where he was uh in

1605
01:16:02,630 --> 01:15:59,940
charge of uh a company in private uh he

1606
01:16:04,910 --> 01:16:02,640
ran a private company Nat cobitz

1607
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:04,920
himself which basically specialized in a

1608
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:08,400
type of welding called Electron Beam

1609
01:16:14,450 --> 01:16:11,520
welding uh which is a very specific very

1610
01:16:17,930 --> 01:16:14,460
uh very highly specialized type of

1611
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:17,940
Welding which uh doesn't leave a bead

1612
01:16:23,090 --> 01:16:20,159
like a lot of Worlds do very

1613
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:23,100
indiscernible bead and uh he was

1614
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,199
approached because of his I suspect his

1615
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:27,360
security status and his knowledge r d

1616
01:16:32,090 --> 01:16:29,640
background in the U.S Navy he was

1617
01:16:33,950 --> 01:16:32,100
approached and asked by the U.S Air

1618
01:16:36,590 --> 01:16:33,960
Force to come to Wright-Patterson Air

1619
01:16:38,930 --> 01:16:36,600
Force Base you know what we would uh I

1620
01:16:40,610 --> 01:16:38,940
guess colloquially these days but it was

1621
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,620
the once known as the foreign technology

1622
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,960
division at Wright-Patt and he was

1623
01:16:47,149 --> 01:16:44,880
invited he was invited to go to

1624
01:16:50,270 --> 01:16:47,159
Wright-Patt and look at

1625
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:50,280
an object which he described as a

1626
01:16:55,850 --> 01:16:52,800
bulkhead and he says it was an extremely

1627
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:55,860
light large piece of metal that felt

1628
01:17:02,330 --> 01:17:00,000
feather light and it was extremely

1629
01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:02,340
strong and he was able to look at it

1630
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:04,380
under an electron scanning microscope

1631
01:17:10,010 --> 01:17:07,920
and he was asked whether the joins that

1632
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:10,020
connected the two metals in that lump of

1633
01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:13,500
metal were EB welding Electron Beam

1634
01:17:19,850 --> 01:17:15,960
welding and he told them that it wasn't

1635
01:17:22,729 --> 01:17:19,860
and he told me that it was a type of

1636
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:22,739
metal technology at the atomic level

1637
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,900
structured at the atomic level that he'd

1638
01:17:30,649 --> 01:17:26,159
never seen before

1639
01:17:32,450 --> 01:17:30,659
and as a good loyal patriotic American

1640
01:17:34,910 --> 01:17:32,460
citizen he wouldn't tell me a huge

1641
01:17:36,410 --> 01:17:34,920
amount more about what he knew but it

1642
01:17:38,330 --> 01:17:36,420
was quite clear to me from what he

1643
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:38,340
admitted to me over several months that

1644
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:41,760
he had been briefed into a retrieval

1645
01:17:48,350 --> 01:17:44,400
program that was his words where craft

1646
01:17:50,050 --> 01:17:48,360
multiple craft had been recovered and he

1647
01:17:51,890 --> 01:17:50,060
took the view that because it was

1648
01:17:53,450 --> 01:17:51,900
compartmentalized security he didn't

1649
01:17:54,830 --> 01:17:53,460
have the right to know too much more

1650
01:17:57,530 --> 01:17:54,840
about it so he didn't ask too many

1651
01:18:00,350 --> 01:17:57,540
questions and so his one experience that

1652
01:18:02,689 --> 01:18:00,360
he'd had was of being asked because of

1653
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,699
his specialty and Welding to look at

1654
01:18:06,590 --> 01:18:04,800
this particular bulkhead piece and see

1655
01:18:09,169 --> 01:18:06,600
whether or not it was connected using

1656
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:09,179
the technology that he knew about and as

1657
01:18:13,370 --> 01:18:11,040
he said to me it wasn't any technology

1658
01:18:17,090 --> 01:18:13,380
that he knew of that existed on Earth

1659
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:17,100
now the the challenges

1660
01:18:22,189 --> 01:18:18,960
um have to be there not only for the

1661
01:18:26,330 --> 01:18:22,199
United States but for a Russia or a

1662
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:26,340
China uh to try to figure out this

1663
01:18:30,590 --> 01:18:27,440
technology

1664
01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:30,600
we don't have an exclusive in the United

1665
01:18:35,149 --> 01:18:33,719
States uncrashed or retrieval of

1666
01:18:38,570 --> 01:18:35,159
anything it's got to be a global

1667
01:18:41,649 --> 01:18:38,580
phenomenon right and and I look at it

1668
01:18:45,050 --> 01:18:41,659
like this Ross if we went back in time

1669
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:45,060
with uh say a cell phone

1670
01:18:51,470 --> 01:18:48,239
right and you you go back 100 or 200 or

1671
01:18:53,930 --> 01:18:51,480
300 years ago and give this they're not

1672
01:18:55,970 --> 01:18:53,940
going to know what it's for a CD player

1673
01:18:58,370 --> 01:18:55,980
they would know that it's audio they

1674
01:19:01,010 --> 01:18:58,380
wouldn't know have any concept of that

1675
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:01,020
you would need an instruction manual or

1676
01:19:05,570 --> 01:19:02,880
somebody there to help you along with

1677
01:19:08,570 --> 01:19:05,580
that right it's the same challenges that

1678
01:19:10,729 --> 01:19:08,580
we would be set with today

1679
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:10,739
yeah well that's my understanding I mean

1680
01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:13,920
I I actually listened quite a lot to Dr

1681
01:19:18,770 --> 01:19:16,260
Eric Davis because I know a lot about

1682
01:19:20,330 --> 01:19:18,780
the work that he's done in the past and

1683
01:19:22,729 --> 01:19:20,340
the work that he's doing at the moment

1684
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:22,739
and people I know in Australia and

1685
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:25,260
people I know in America have vouched

1686
01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:27,120
for his Bona fides for his credibility

1687
01:19:34,189 --> 01:19:32,400
and Dr Davis has spoken numerous times I

1688
01:19:37,250 --> 01:19:34,199
think on your show and other shows where

1689
01:19:39,709 --> 01:19:37,260
he's basically acknowledged that there

1690
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:39,719
have been crash retrievals but he says

1691
01:19:44,030 --> 01:19:42,239
that the attempts to re-engineer that

1692
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,040
technology have not been very successful

1693
01:19:49,310 --> 01:19:46,560
and if you think about it if that's the

1694
01:19:50,990 --> 01:19:49,320
case that would explain why there has

1695
01:19:52,970 --> 01:19:51,000
been a reticence by the American

1696
01:19:55,490 --> 01:19:52,980
Military and the American government to

1697
01:19:58,130 --> 01:19:55,500
admit and indeed to lie about what it

1698
01:20:00,350 --> 01:19:58,140
knows because I would lie if I was the

1699
01:20:02,090 --> 01:20:00,360
president like Obama was in 2011 and

1700
01:20:03,770 --> 01:20:02,100
they put out a press release denying any

1701
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:03,780
knowledge of crash retrievals or

1702
01:20:09,290 --> 01:20:06,480
recovered craft or interaction with

1703
01:20:11,410 --> 01:20:09,300
so-called extraterrestrial beings if it

1704
01:20:13,970 --> 01:20:11,420
was the case that the U.S has recovered

1705
01:20:16,430 --> 01:20:13,980
extraordinary technology mind-blowing

1706
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:16,440
technology which I think it has which I

1707
01:20:21,890 --> 01:20:19,020
do think it has I would lie I would

1708
01:20:23,629 --> 01:20:21,900
indubitably lie and I would feel obliged

1709
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:23,639
under my National Security oath to treat

1710
01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:26,159
it as the highest level waived

1711
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:28,500
unacknowledged special Access program I

1712
01:20:34,129 --> 01:20:30,840
would keep it secret as long as I could

1713
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:34,139
which is why I do think and I'm

1714
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:36,900
suspicious that this whole UAP task

1715
01:20:41,330 --> 01:20:39,600
force report albeit there's a lot of

1716
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:41,340
people in it who are well intentioned

1717
01:20:46,850 --> 01:20:43,679
and well motivated like people like

1718
01:20:49,490 --> 01:20:46,860
Louis zondo in his role at atip

1719
01:20:52,610 --> 01:20:49,500
I think it's a fop I think it's

1720
01:20:54,649 --> 01:20:52,620
essentially a foil to try and buy time

1721
01:20:56,990 --> 01:20:54,659
I think what's happening is the US is

1722
01:20:59,390 --> 01:20:57,000
trying to constrain The Narrative it's

1723
01:21:01,970 --> 01:20:59,400
deliberately in the course of that UAP

1724
01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:01,980
task force report it set the narrative

1725
01:21:08,510 --> 01:21:06,120
as running from 2004 from the Tic Tac

1726
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:08,520
UFO USS Nimitz incident off the west

1727
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:11,040
coast of the USA and one of the things

1728
01:21:15,169 --> 01:21:12,719
that blew me away when I started doing

1729
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:15,179
my research was the incredible the

1730
01:21:20,590 --> 01:21:17,760
awesome history that's been so well told

1731
01:21:24,970 --> 01:21:20,600
by your colleague John Greenwald

1732
01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:24,980
by Richard Dolan by

1733
01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:27,960
numerous writers over the years who've

1734
01:21:32,570 --> 01:21:30,300
basically pieced together the secret

1735
01:21:34,430 --> 01:21:32,580
history of the US government's

1736
01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:34,440
interaction with the phenomenon going

1737
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:36,780
right back to I think before and after

1738
01:21:43,370 --> 01:21:40,800
World War II where it's quite clear that

1739
01:21:46,669 --> 01:21:43,380
that if even if you read the online

1740
01:21:49,610 --> 01:21:46,679
reports of the cia's library they talk

1741
01:21:51,649 --> 01:21:49,620
openly about recovered flying sources

1742
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:51,659
it's sitting there in black and white

1743
01:21:56,750 --> 01:21:54,840
for anybody to see and I've approached

1744
01:21:58,430 --> 01:21:56,760
the agency and said well what do these

1745
01:22:00,530 --> 01:21:58,440
documents mean well you know what's the

1746
01:22:02,990 --> 01:22:00,540
explanation for a recovered Flying

1747
01:22:05,629 --> 01:22:03,000
Saucer and a province of Afghanistan in

1748
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:05,639
1960 something no explanation is given

1749
01:22:09,770 --> 01:22:07,920
John's got these on his website I've

1750
01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:09,780
been a huge admirer of John greenwald's

1751
01:22:13,850 --> 01:22:12,420
Blackwell for ages because he's pulled a

1752
01:22:15,890 --> 01:22:13,860
lot of these documents and put them

1753
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:15,900
there on the public domain and quite

1754
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:18,480
frankly it's our stupidity as mainstream

1755
01:22:22,490 --> 01:22:19,980
media to have not realized their

1756
01:22:25,970 --> 01:22:22,500
significance any sooner and so My worry

1757
01:22:29,090 --> 01:22:25,980
is that there's a there's a uh a

1758
01:22:30,830 --> 01:22:29,100
narrative going on where I think yes I

1759
01:22:32,930 --> 01:22:30,840
take it as a given that the US

1760
01:22:35,330 --> 01:22:32,940
government has recovered what it

1761
01:22:38,209 --> 01:22:35,340
believes is non-human technology and I

1762
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,219
know that's controversial I got a

1763
01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:40,080
response from Lou this is from Lou

1764
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:41,940
Elizondo he says

1765
01:22:47,090 --> 01:22:44,159
the original this is quote I'm just

1766
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,100
going to read uh the entire text he says

1767
01:22:54,050 --> 01:22:50,159
the original was sufficiently longer

1768
01:22:56,350 --> 01:22:54,060
about 70 Pages what was provided was an

1769
01:22:59,629 --> 01:22:56,360
executive summary and that's in quotes

1770
01:23:03,890 --> 01:22:59,639
that was much shorter and that is from

1771
01:23:07,010 --> 01:23:03,900
Lou uh literally seconds ago as you know

1772
01:23:10,370 --> 01:23:07,020
I'm going to have Lou uh uh on with us

1773
01:23:12,830 --> 01:23:10,380
this Saturday and we will obviously

1774
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,840
going to be discussing this

1775
01:23:16,910 --> 01:23:14,400
um in depth

1776
01:23:20,810 --> 01:23:16,920
um I can't really say a whole lot more

1777
01:23:23,689 --> 01:23:20,820
I'm going to let uh Lou discuss this in

1778
01:23:25,930 --> 01:23:23,699
his own words on Saturday but yeah I've

1779
01:23:31,010 --> 01:23:25,940
been privy to a lot of information

1780
01:23:33,950 --> 01:23:31,020
and having this 17-page uh uh classified

1781
01:23:38,570 --> 01:23:33,960
drop today I think was a shock to to all

1782
01:23:42,890 --> 01:23:38,580
of us now going back to uh

1783
01:23:45,649 --> 01:23:42,900
uh your comments do you think

1784
01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:45,659
um I I think that you're reporting and

1785
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:48,840
and the book uh points to this that the

1786
01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:52,320
safe route right in order to not have to

1787
01:23:59,209 --> 01:23:57,000
lie if you are uh uh a head of state

1788
01:24:03,110 --> 01:23:59,219
um that you would spirit this technology

1789
01:24:04,970 --> 01:24:03,120
into the private sector right that that

1790
01:24:08,689 --> 01:24:04,980
clears you from Freedom of Information

1791
01:24:11,689 --> 01:24:08,699
Act uh there is no paper trail

1792
01:24:14,510 --> 01:24:11,699
um you're in Black budget money and you

1793
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:14,520
are in the private sector is is this

1794
01:24:19,070 --> 01:24:16,920
probably what is going on

1795
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,080
look I'm pretty sure it is I really am

1796
01:24:22,490 --> 01:24:20,880
now look one of the things that I take

1797
01:24:24,410 --> 01:24:22,500
very seriously Jimmy and I know it's

1798
01:24:27,649 --> 01:24:24,420
been the subject of some controversy is

1799
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:27,659
the Admiral Wilson document the the memo

1800
01:24:32,209 --> 01:24:30,480
that was written by Dr Eric Davis after

1801
01:24:34,189 --> 01:24:32,219
his alleged conversation with an

1802
01:24:36,970 --> 01:24:34,199
immediate former director of the defense

1803
01:24:42,110 --> 01:24:36,980
intelligence agency Admiral Tom Wilson

1804
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:42,120
that memo came from uh a source who is

1805
01:24:47,149 --> 01:24:43,440
talking to me

1806
01:24:49,729 --> 01:24:47,159
and I'm aware of the archive the archive

1807
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:49,739
of Edgar Mitchell from wince that memo

1808
01:24:56,030 --> 01:24:53,040
came and uh because of the associated

1809
01:24:57,950 --> 01:24:56,040
documents in and around that memo that

1810
01:25:00,290 --> 01:24:57,960
form part of my book which are

1811
01:25:03,169 --> 01:25:00,300
essentially documents sent by Dr Hal

1812
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:03,179
putoff to Edgar Mitchell as a member of

1813
01:25:07,689 --> 01:25:06,000
the science Advisory Board of the

1814
01:25:10,669 --> 01:25:07,699
National Institute of Discovery Science

1815
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:10,679
which was as you know the body that was

1816
01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:12,840
set up by Bob Bigelow to investigate and

1817
01:25:19,490 --> 01:25:16,860
research the phenomenon uh it's quite

1818
01:25:21,229 --> 01:25:19,500
clear to me that the Admiral Wilson memo

1819
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:21,239
was sent by

1820
01:25:27,709 --> 01:25:24,560
Dr Hal putoff to Edgar Mitchell in late

1821
01:25:29,450 --> 01:25:27,719
2002 in the genuine belief that it

1822
01:25:31,790 --> 01:25:29,460
represented an accurate conversation

1823
01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:31,800
between the former immediate former

1824
01:25:35,090 --> 01:25:33,179
director of the defense intelligence

1825
01:25:38,990 --> 01:25:35,100
agency and

1826
01:25:42,890 --> 01:25:39,000
Dr Eric Davis and nothing that has been

1827
01:25:44,689 --> 01:25:42,900
said by Hal putoff Eric Davis everybody

1828
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:44,699
could have immediately defused that

1829
01:25:49,129 --> 01:25:46,800
Memo's significance in an instant by

1830
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:49,139
saying it's bogus it's bunkum it's a

1831
01:25:54,050 --> 01:25:51,360
hoax it's fake they've never done that

1832
01:25:55,970 --> 01:25:54,060
I'm very very sure it's genuine even

1833
01:25:58,850 --> 01:25:55,980
though Tom Wilson has told me as he's

1834
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,860
obliged to do if it's genuine if there

1835
01:26:02,510 --> 01:26:00,719
is such a program in existence Tom would

1836
01:26:04,370 --> 01:26:02,520
be under Our obligation to lie about it

1837
01:26:05,629 --> 01:26:04,380
and I'm not calling him a bad man for

1838
01:26:07,310 --> 01:26:05,639
doing that because he's a loyal

1839
01:26:08,810 --> 01:26:07,320
patriotic American citizen who's

1840
01:26:11,149 --> 01:26:08,820
probably trying to conceal a program

1841
01:26:13,490 --> 01:26:11,159
that is of an immense importance to the

1842
01:26:15,649 --> 01:26:13,500
United States government but I do

1843
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:15,659
believe that the Admiral Wilson memo

1844
01:26:21,649 --> 01:26:18,719
demonstrates what plausibly has happened

1845
01:26:24,169 --> 01:26:21,659
which is that somewhere in private

1846
01:26:26,090 --> 01:26:24,179
Aerospace I venture to suggest it's

1847
01:26:29,330 --> 01:26:26,100
Lockheed Martin

1848
01:26:31,850 --> 01:26:29,340
there is material if not intact craft

1849
01:26:34,669 --> 01:26:31,860
which are held by

1850
01:26:36,530 --> 01:26:34,679
private hands private Aerospace which

1851
01:26:38,750 --> 01:26:36,540
were probably divested to private

1852
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:38,760
Aerospace when the department of energy

1853
01:26:43,010 --> 01:26:40,860
became subject to Freedom of Information

1854
01:26:46,610 --> 01:26:43,020
laws when it became a government agency

1855
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:46,620
I think in the 70s and I I think it's

1856
01:26:50,689 --> 01:26:48,719
been kept under wraps for that long and

1857
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,699
only certain members of the military and

1858
01:26:54,290 --> 01:26:52,320
intelligence services are briefed into

1859
01:26:58,729 --> 01:26:54,300
the reality of what the United States

1860
01:27:00,649 --> 01:26:58,739
has and this is beyond even a waived

1861
01:27:03,890 --> 01:27:00,659
unacknowledged special access program

1862
01:27:05,629 --> 01:27:03,900
it's it's completely off the books and

1863
01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:05,639
I've heard explanations that have been

1864
01:27:09,229 --> 01:27:07,800
put about how it's possible to create a

1865
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,239
company structure which essentially

1866
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:11,760
means that you are outside of the

1867
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:14,880
auspices of the Freedom of Information

1868
01:27:19,850 --> 01:27:17,520
laws in the U.S and there are similar

1869
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,860
evasion techniques that are used here in

1870
01:27:24,169 --> 01:27:21,840
Australia to avoid accountability by

1871
01:27:27,890 --> 01:27:24,179
government agencies as well you know the

1872
01:27:29,149 --> 01:27:27,900
foa laws are as John Greenwald would

1873
01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:29,159
tell you you know that you can drive a

1874
01:27:33,649 --> 01:27:30,780
truck through the exemptions that are

1875
01:27:36,050 --> 01:27:33,659
essentially provided there uh and it's

1876
01:27:39,649 --> 01:27:36,060
not too hard to hide stuff from the

1877
01:27:42,590 --> 01:27:39,659
public gaze so yes I I do think the most

1878
01:27:45,470 --> 01:27:42,600
plausible explanation is that if the US

1879
01:27:48,410 --> 01:27:45,480
has recovered exotic

1880
01:27:50,209 --> 01:27:48,420
technology which I think it has because

1881
01:27:53,149 --> 01:27:50,219
it's been said by innumerable people

1882
01:27:55,850 --> 01:27:53,159
that it has people who should know if

1883
01:27:57,770 --> 01:27:55,860
they've recovered craft which I'm

1884
01:28:00,830 --> 01:27:57,780
beginning to think they have because

1885
01:28:03,050 --> 01:28:00,840
people have told me that they have

1886
01:28:04,610 --> 01:28:03,060
um I think it's being hidden and I think

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01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:04,620
it's being hidden for a very good reason

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01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:07,199
and I'm patriotic enough to know that I

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01:28:11,810 --> 01:28:09,120
don't believe that the US would try and

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01:28:13,490 --> 01:28:11,820
conceal this for some evil motive I

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01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:13,500
think it's concealing it for a strategic

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01:28:18,350 --> 01:28:16,800
Advantage quite frankly the last thing I

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01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:18,360
would want and I think the last thing

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01:28:22,729 --> 01:28:20,460
anything any of us would want is for

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01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:22,739
China or Russia to have control of this

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01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:25,679
technology and in the briefings that I

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01:28:30,410 --> 01:28:28,080
had in the US in the last few years from

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01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:30,420
people who do know what's going on who

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01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:33,120
talk to me about the existence of quote

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01:28:38,330 --> 01:28:36,239
the program they talk about how the

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01:28:41,450 --> 01:28:38,340
Russians have also recovered technology

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01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,460
I've spoken to Russians more recently in

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01:28:45,410 --> 01:28:43,440
the last few weeks who've told me that

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01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:45,420
there's been recovered technology in the

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01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:48,239
united in in the USS in in the Russian

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01:28:51,410 --> 01:28:49,920
Republic

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01:28:54,530 --> 01:28:51,420
um but it was recovered During the

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01:28:57,470 --> 01:28:54,540
period of the Soviet Union uh I'm also

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01:29:00,050 --> 01:28:57,480
told that China is mounting an enormous

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01:29:02,090 --> 01:29:00,060
intelligence operation against the us

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01:29:04,430 --> 01:29:02,100
because they're aware of this and that

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01:29:06,110 --> 01:29:04,440
there is this cold war going on where

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01:29:08,510 --> 01:29:06,120
essentially there is an attempt to

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01:29:10,850 --> 01:29:08,520
Garner Advantage from all sides as

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01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:10,860
quickly as possible I guess to some

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01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,540
degree one of the things I admire about

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01:29:17,570 --> 01:29:14,880
America is that it's an open comp it's

1918
01:29:19,790 --> 01:29:17,580
an Open Country it's transparent and so

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01:29:22,129 --> 01:29:19,800
probably because of shows like yours

1920
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:22,139
because of the power of the UFO Twitter

1921
01:29:27,229 --> 01:29:24,480
which I think people underestimate the

1922
01:29:28,910 --> 01:29:27,239
awesome power of the social media which

1923
01:29:31,490 --> 01:29:28,920
has been asking questions about this

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01:29:33,530 --> 01:29:31,500
phenomenon now for decades

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01:29:35,149 --> 01:29:33,540
I think the government is starting to

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01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:35,159
realize that it's going to have to give

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01:29:40,490 --> 01:29:37,980
something and so my suspicion and it's

1928
01:29:42,530 --> 01:29:40,500
just a hunch but my suspicion is that in

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01:29:45,050 --> 01:29:42,540
the same way that the UAP task force

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01:29:47,870 --> 01:29:45,060
report started the narrative the

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01:29:49,850 --> 01:29:47,880
historical narrative from 2004

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01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:49,860
they haven't made any retrievals or

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01:29:54,110 --> 01:29:52,320
recoveries since that date so it

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01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,120
immediately constrains what they're

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01:29:59,450 --> 01:29:56,880
obliged to talk about and it means it's

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01:30:02,990 --> 01:29:59,460
interesting that's right well well

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01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:03,000
played that's it that's interesting so I

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01:30:07,970 --> 01:30:05,280
think so I think what's happening is

1939
01:30:11,209 --> 01:30:07,980
they don't want to admit if Roswell was

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01:30:13,310 --> 01:30:11,219
real if Aztec was real if any one of

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01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:13,320
these incidents the Del Rio events were

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01:30:17,450 --> 01:30:15,120
real where craft were allegedly

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01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:17,460
recovered why the hell would you give

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01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:19,440
away that it's strategic Advantage why

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01:30:23,330 --> 01:30:21,600
would you admit that you've got an

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01:30:25,370 --> 01:30:23,340
incredible awesome piece of technology

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01:30:27,770 --> 01:30:25,380
jacked up on blocks in a cave in area

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01:30:30,169 --> 01:30:27,780
51. why would you do that you wouldn't

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01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:30,179
what you would try and do is what the

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01:30:33,229 --> 01:30:31,199
Air Force office of special

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01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,239
investigations has tried to do for years

1952
01:30:39,050 --> 01:30:35,520
you would try to control the narrative

1953
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:39,060
you would try and immediately divert the

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01:30:42,890 --> 01:30:40,800
public by saying

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01:30:44,570 --> 01:30:42,900
what I think is going on and I'm not

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01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:44,580
suggesting for example I'm not

1957
01:30:48,590 --> 01:30:46,560
suggesting that Dave fraver or Alex

1958
01:30:50,510 --> 01:30:48,600
Dietrich are lying or misleading the

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01:30:53,330 --> 01:30:50,520
public I don't think they know about

1960
01:30:55,250 --> 01:30:53,340
these programs if they exist I think

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01:30:57,770 --> 01:30:55,260
that the narrative that they've pushed

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01:31:00,050 --> 01:30:57,780
which is one of shock and surprise that

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01:31:02,450 --> 01:31:00,060
this technology exists something

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01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:02,460
anomalous is for doing extraordinary

1965
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:05,760
things now in our skies in our oceans in

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01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:07,920
our in our orbit and I think the

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01:31:12,830 --> 01:31:10,920
government is going to say oh wow you're

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01:31:16,430 --> 01:31:12,840
right we've just discovered this too

1969
01:31:18,169 --> 01:31:16,440
this is incredible and and uh and our

1970
01:31:21,290 --> 01:31:18,179
sensor systems are now picking this up

1971
01:31:22,910 --> 01:31:21,300
wow you guys we apologize you were right

1972
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:22,920
all along there is this anomalous

1973
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:24,480
phenomenon and we're going to

1974
01:31:27,770 --> 01:31:25,920
investigate it and it's going to take us

1975
01:31:29,390 --> 01:31:27,780
probably about 10 years to investigate

1976
01:31:32,270 --> 01:31:29,400
it and we're going to allocate resources

1977
01:31:33,470 --> 01:31:32,280
but by golly we apologize Blue Book was

1978
01:31:35,390 --> 01:31:33,480
wrong you know there is something

1979
01:31:36,830 --> 01:31:35,400
anomalous here and it's going to buy

1980
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:36,840
them time it's going to buy them another

1981
01:31:42,290 --> 01:31:39,360
five or ten years and that's all they

1982
01:31:45,470 --> 01:31:42,300
need let's say I think well we need to

1983
01:31:47,629 --> 01:31:45,480
take a break I'm 15 seconds late Ross so

1984
01:31:49,129 --> 01:31:47,639
let's get this in this is Fade to Black

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01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:49,139
I'm your host Jeremy church but the

1986
01:31:53,090 --> 01:31:51,480
other thing in the private sector you

1987
01:31:54,649 --> 01:31:53,100
make that phone call you can just hang

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01:31:55,850 --> 01:31:54,659
up on somebody

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you can't do that with the government

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right this is Fade to Black our meals

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Jimmy church more with Ross when we come

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way out here we listened to Jimmy Church

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you're listening to faint and black

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always on the edge of the hottest

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Jimmy church this is Revolution the

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[Music]

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Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

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host Jimmy church tonight Our Guest Ross

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cultart from live from Australia but

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these days don't you you just have to do

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it you have to do it

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01:37:01,790 --> 01:36:55,800
um one of the things that you brought up

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01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:01,800
uh in the Wilson Davis doc there was one

2074
01:37:08,510 --> 01:37:04,800
thing that I think was Paramount in in

2075
01:37:12,290 --> 01:37:08,520
that Dock and that was Admiral Wilson's

2076
01:37:14,209 --> 01:37:12,300
frustration with trying to go into the

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01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:14,219
private sector and make some phone calls

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01:37:19,189 --> 01:37:15,840
and ask some questions

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01:37:22,370 --> 01:37:19,199
he got hung up on right and there there

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01:37:27,530 --> 01:37:22,380
is no oversight like that if you're from

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01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:27,540
the uh if if you're not in uh uh the the

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circle or part of an sap program or on a

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need to know basis they don't have to

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talk to you

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01:37:38,570 --> 01:37:36,719
well that's the thing that worries me

2086
01:37:40,189 --> 01:37:38,580
most of all because one of the things

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01:37:41,930 --> 01:37:40,199
that was a turning point for me was

2088
01:37:44,270 --> 01:37:41,940
reading Jacques valet's Forbidden

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01:37:46,189 --> 01:37:44,280
Knowledge volume four and and he talks

2090
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:46,199
about his conversations back in the

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01:37:52,250 --> 01:37:49,440
1970s with Richard Dick D'Amato who was

2092
01:37:53,689 --> 01:37:52,260
then a congressional uh staffer who was

2093
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:53,699
involved with the Senate intelligence

2094
01:37:58,370 --> 01:37:56,639
committee trying to investigate uh

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01:38:01,010 --> 01:37:58,380
whether or not there was a secret

2096
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:01,020
program inside the US government and

2097
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:02,880
it's quite clear from Jacques I mean

2098
01:38:06,530 --> 01:38:04,800
dick Tomatoes refused comment publicly

2099
01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:06,540
but it's quite clear from Jacques

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01:38:11,870 --> 01:38:09,360
published comments that dick tomato was

2101
01:38:15,050 --> 01:38:11,880
telling Jack back then that there were

2102
01:38:17,090 --> 01:38:15,060
there was a secret program ongoing

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01:38:18,649 --> 01:38:17,100
inside the US government and he was

2104
01:38:22,010 --> 01:38:18,659
appalled about it because it was outside

2105
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:22,020
of known congressional oversight now

2106
01:38:27,709 --> 01:38:24,600
I'm not so sure about that because we

2107
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:27,719
now know that there is oversight that's

2108
01:38:31,850 --> 01:38:30,000
way above that by the gang of eight of

2109
01:38:35,450 --> 01:38:31,860
which Senator Harry Reid was a member

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01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,460
which is a select group of uh eight

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01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:37,440
members of the Congress who were

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01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:39,840
essentially given access to what are

2113
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:42,719
called waived unacknowledged special

2114
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,360
access programs which are the most

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01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:48,239
darkest deepest secrets of all in the US

2116
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:51,600
government and I I sincerely hope that

2117
01:38:56,990 --> 01:38:54,719
Harry knows a lot more than he's let on

2118
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:57,000
so far he certainly indicated as much to

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01:39:01,250 --> 01:38:58,560
the New York Times in the interviews

2120
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:01,260
that he's done but I sincerely hope that

2121
01:39:06,530 --> 01:39:04,080
it's not a congressional oversight I

2122
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:06,540
sincerely hope that we haven't got to a

2123
01:39:12,109 --> 01:39:09,360
situation where our Congress has not

2124
01:39:14,450 --> 01:39:12,119
been briefed about secret programs

2125
01:39:17,570 --> 01:39:14,460
because frankly there was a turning

2126
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,580
point for me Jimmy and my research where

2127
01:39:21,169 --> 01:39:19,440
I came across the press release because

2128
01:39:23,930 --> 01:39:21,179
one of the questions I looked at was

2129
01:39:26,330 --> 01:39:23,940
what have presidents said about this in

2130
01:39:28,729 --> 01:39:26,340
the past What official comments have

2131
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:28,739
been made on the record by the White

2132
01:39:33,890 --> 01:39:31,679
House about whether or not there is a

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01:39:36,350 --> 01:39:33,900
secret UAP program whether or not there

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01:39:39,950 --> 01:39:36,360
is contact with extraterrestrials or

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01:39:41,689 --> 01:39:39,960
non-human life intelligent life and the

2136
01:39:44,209 --> 01:39:41,699
best comment that's ever been published

2137
01:39:46,370 --> 01:39:44,219
was one by the Obama White House science

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01:39:48,350 --> 01:39:46,380
advisor in 2011 that was put out on

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01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:48,360
behalf of the white house where they

2140
01:39:54,649 --> 01:39:50,880
categorically denied that there was any

2141
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,659
ongoing UFO retrieval program that there

2142
01:39:58,609 --> 01:39:56,880
were recovered craft that there were

2143
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:58,619
recovered alien bodies that there was

2144
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:00,000
any contact at all with

2145
01:40:06,410 --> 01:40:03,119
extraterrestrials it was a flat denial

2146
01:40:08,810 --> 01:40:06,420
now that sits at odds with public

2147
01:40:11,390 --> 01:40:08,820
comments from very imminent people in

2148
01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:11,400
officialdom now in America

2149
01:40:15,649 --> 01:40:13,679
you know you've got former CIA directors

2150
01:40:16,970 --> 01:40:15,659
you've got a former president Obama For

2151
01:40:18,649 --> 01:40:16,980
Heaven's Sake he's even gone on the

2152
01:40:20,510 --> 01:40:18,659
record admitted that there is an

2153
01:40:21,950 --> 01:40:20,520
anomalous phenomena that is worthy of

2154
01:40:24,649 --> 01:40:21,960
Investigation

2155
01:40:27,890 --> 01:40:24,659
somebody is not telling the truth and

2156
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:27,900
what worries me is that as dick D'Amato

2157
01:40:34,970 --> 01:40:31,679
found back in the 1970s 1980s it's being

2158
01:40:37,250 --> 01:40:34,980
concealed and one of the great things I

2159
01:40:38,990 --> 01:40:37,260
warmly admire I studied law and one of

2160
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:39,000
the things I think that America has got

2161
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:41,280
sussed far better than English law

2162
01:40:46,850 --> 01:40:43,679
English jurisdictions under British

2163
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:46,860
Commonwealth's parliamentary systems you

2164
01:40:50,330 --> 01:40:48,960
guys have got fantastic oversight

2165
01:40:52,430 --> 01:40:50,340
committees you know you've got

2166
01:40:54,649 --> 01:40:52,440
committees you give them balls they can

2167
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:54,659
basically find out what they want to

2168
01:40:58,010 --> 01:40:56,159
know that's why Chris Mellon is so

2169
01:40:59,930 --> 01:40:58,020
interesting by the way because people

2170
01:41:01,790 --> 01:40:59,940
know about his role in the Department of

2171
01:41:03,890 --> 01:41:01,800
Defense but they don't realize that he

2172
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:03,900
probably hadn't even hired Clarence when

2173
01:41:08,030 --> 01:41:06,480
he was working as the staffer associated

2174
01:41:11,330 --> 01:41:08,040
with the Senate intelligence committee

2175
01:41:14,510 --> 01:41:11,340
because when I met Chris I told him how

2176
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:14,520
I'd been investigating the 1989 Belgian

2177
01:41:19,250 --> 01:41:17,280
UFO wave the the weird triangular

2178
01:41:21,649 --> 01:41:19,260
objects that were seen all over Germany

2179
01:41:23,570 --> 01:41:21,659
and Belgium by literally tens of

2180
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:23,580
thousands of people including the

2181
01:41:27,950 --> 01:41:26,159
Belgian Air Force and he laughed and he

2182
01:41:29,209 --> 01:41:27,960
said to me yeah well well I was the

2183
01:41:31,370 --> 01:41:29,219
Congressional staffer at the time

2184
01:41:33,649 --> 01:41:31,380
working for the Senate intelligence

2185
01:41:36,590 --> 01:41:33,659
committee and Senator Robert Byrd who

2186
01:41:38,930 --> 01:41:36,600
was a formidable Senator demanded to

2187
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:38,940
know was there a secret plane was there

2188
01:41:43,370 --> 01:41:41,760
this mysterious Aurora aircraft that

2189
01:41:45,229 --> 01:41:43,380
everybody knew about mythically which

2190
01:41:48,590 --> 01:41:45,239
had been written about in different

2191
01:41:51,169 --> 01:41:48,600
military Aerospace journals did it exist

2192
01:41:53,930 --> 01:41:51,179
and Chris had the access he literally

2193
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:53,940
could walk into Area 51 and kick the

2194
01:41:59,149 --> 01:41:56,880
tires of any UFOs blocked up on jacked

2195
01:42:01,010 --> 01:41:59,159
up on blocks and the uh the interesting

2196
01:42:03,229 --> 01:42:01,020
thing is that somebody with the access

2197
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:03,239
of a Christopher melon interestingly

2198
01:42:06,770 --> 01:42:04,560
enough not so much when he was at the

2199
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,780
Department of Defense but when he was a

2200
01:42:10,609 --> 01:42:08,400
staffer working for the Senate

2201
01:42:12,890 --> 01:42:10,619
congressional oversight committee even

2202
01:42:16,129 --> 01:42:12,900
he couldn't find out about it

2203
01:42:18,109 --> 01:42:16,139
so if this exists that's what worries me

2204
01:42:20,330 --> 01:42:18,119
and this is where your Congressman this

2205
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:20,340
is why people should be writing to their

2206
01:42:26,510 --> 01:42:22,800
congressmen and their Congress women and

2207
01:42:28,729 --> 01:42:26,520
demanding transparency because if it is

2208
01:42:30,770 --> 01:42:28,739
the case that people like Chris Mellon

2209
01:42:33,410 --> 01:42:30,780
have been lied to people like Louis

2210
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:33,420
zondo have been lied to people like

2211
01:42:41,149 --> 01:42:36,719
Richard dematto have been lied to and

2212
01:42:43,550 --> 01:42:41,159
numerous presidents that is a scandal if

2213
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:43,560
it is the case and it may very well be

2214
01:42:47,330 --> 01:42:45,360
that if it is hidden in private

2215
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:47,340
Aerospace the view is taken by the

2216
01:42:51,410 --> 01:42:48,960
military and the defense intelligence

2217
01:42:53,689 --> 01:42:51,420
agencies that they don't have to reveal

2218
01:42:55,310 --> 01:42:53,699
it that that whilst people may know of

2219
01:42:57,169 --> 01:42:55,320
it privately they're not under any

2220
01:42:59,149 --> 01:42:57,179
obligation to disclose it

2221
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:59,159
but if that's the case if I was a

2222
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:01,199
president I would immediately sack all

2223
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,600
those officials and court-martialed them

2224
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:05,520
publicly on the steps of the Congress

2225
01:43:10,430 --> 01:43:08,400
and demand their resignations on the

2226
01:43:13,129 --> 01:43:10,440
spot because I think what's Happening

2227
01:43:15,410 --> 01:43:13,139
Here is a decision was made by people

2228
01:43:16,970 --> 01:43:15,420
primarily in the U.S Air Force and I

2229
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:16,980
know it's the Air Force because it's the

2230
01:43:21,050 --> 01:43:19,199
air force that has been obstructing the

2231
01:43:23,450 --> 01:43:21,060
most recent efforts of the UAP task

2232
01:43:24,890 --> 01:43:23,460
force along with the CIA to actually get

2233
01:43:27,470 --> 01:43:24,900
to the bottom of this they've Point

2234
01:43:29,930 --> 01:43:27,480
Blank refused to cooperate with the UAP

2235
01:43:32,570 --> 01:43:29,940
task force I know that for a fact

2236
01:43:36,770 --> 01:43:32,580
and the um the problem that you've got

2237
01:43:39,290 --> 01:43:36,780
is the arrogance the hubris of some

2238
01:43:41,209 --> 01:43:39,300
people in defense and intelligence who

2239
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:41,219
seem to feel and this is one of the

2240
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:42,960
things that shocked me when I read what

2241
01:43:50,689 --> 01:43:47,280
Tom DeLonge was saying to uh people

2242
01:43:54,530 --> 01:43:50,699
online and in various shows prior to the

2243
01:43:57,169 --> 01:43:54,540
uh 2016 election before ttsa became

2244
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:57,179
public he was talking about how that you

2245
01:44:01,310 --> 01:43:58,560
know he was talking to people in the

2246
01:44:04,010 --> 01:44:01,320
military who who were telling him you

2247
01:44:06,050 --> 01:44:04,020
know that that they knew what was going

2248
01:44:08,270 --> 01:44:06,060
on that they had greater power than the

2249
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:08,280
president that they knew what was really

2250
01:44:11,149 --> 01:44:09,600
happening

2251
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:11,159
and the thing about it that really

2252
01:44:15,050 --> 01:44:13,199
shocks me is the thing I admire most

2253
01:44:17,810 --> 01:44:15,060
intensely about America is that America

2254
01:44:20,450 --> 01:44:17,820
is the is the home of one of the most

2255
01:44:22,669 --> 01:44:20,460
powerful democracies on the planet and

2256
01:44:25,550 --> 01:44:22,679
it scares The Living Daylights out of me

2257
01:44:27,709 --> 01:44:25,560
that if there is a secret program

2258
01:44:29,570 --> 01:44:27,719
operating in the US government which

2259
01:44:32,209 --> 01:44:29,580
people have told me there is

2260
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:32,219
which is working on attempting to

2261
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:36,239
re-engineer craft non-human craft if

2262
01:44:40,669 --> 01:44:38,159
that's the case

2263
01:44:42,530 --> 01:44:40,679
then there has been a scandalous

2264
01:44:44,830 --> 01:44:42,540
cover-up of the most Monumental

2265
01:44:48,410 --> 01:44:44,840
proportions

2266
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:48,420
and this I'm sorry to interrupt you but

2267
01:44:53,930 --> 01:44:51,840
that is one of the problems that we do

2268
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:53,940
have

2269
01:44:59,149 --> 01:44:56,639
um if it is a problem in that the

2270
01:45:01,970 --> 01:44:59,159
president is going to be there at most

2271
01:45:04,609 --> 01:45:01,980
eight years but these programs have been

2272
01:45:07,250 --> 01:45:04,619
going on for 50 years and are going to

2273
01:45:10,270 --> 01:45:07,260
continue after the president leaves

2274
01:45:14,090 --> 01:45:10,280
office uh whoever that President may be

2275
01:45:16,990 --> 01:45:14,100
so why tell the president anything right

2276
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,000
the the programs are going to continue

2277
01:45:23,090 --> 01:45:19,440
and we're going to have somebody else

2278
01:45:26,270 --> 01:45:23,100
new in in another four years and and so

2279
01:45:28,189 --> 01:45:26,280
that's also a good thing right that

2280
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:28,199
you're not going to disclose something

2281
01:45:32,090 --> 01:45:30,000
to a president after they leave office

2282
01:45:34,669 --> 01:45:32,100
and they can run their mouth

2283
01:45:36,649 --> 01:45:34,679
well I I guess I I'm guessing you're

2284
01:45:39,050 --> 01:45:36,659
Devil's advocating there Jimmy because I

2285
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:39,060
I would take the view that a president

2286
01:45:43,850 --> 01:45:42,000
as the commander-in-chief of your

2287
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:43,860
military of the most powerful military

2288
01:45:50,689 --> 01:45:48,480
in the planet has the right to know they

2289
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:50,699
should be briefed and it's interesting

2290
01:45:56,450 --> 01:45:52,800
because reading between the lines of the

2291
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:56,460
way Obama reacted uh in a recent q a

2292
01:46:00,770 --> 01:45:58,800
reading between the lines of the hints

2293
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:00,780
that Donald Trump gave as president when

2294
01:46:05,390 --> 01:46:03,119
he was interviewed by his son Don in the

2295
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:05,400
run-up to the election uh it's quite

2296
01:46:09,470 --> 01:46:07,679
clear that both of them are aware of

2297
01:46:12,410 --> 01:46:09,480
information that is not in the public

2298
01:46:14,570 --> 01:46:12,420
domain that has encouraged them to take

2299
01:46:16,910 --> 01:46:14,580
as Donald Trump says the Roswell case

2300
01:46:18,410 --> 01:46:16,920
seriously that's very interesting he

2301
01:46:20,689 --> 01:46:18,420
said and I'd love to tell you more about

2302
01:46:22,370 --> 01:46:20,699
that but maybe on another occasion he

2303
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:22,380
never got the chance oh I wish Donald

2304
01:46:27,410 --> 01:46:24,719
Trump had talked I really do yeah yeah I

2305
01:46:30,830 --> 01:46:27,420
was expecting that actually I was

2306
01:46:33,129 --> 01:46:30,840
waiting for the UFO tweet uh to come out

2307
01:46:35,870 --> 01:46:33,139
from president Trump but

2308
01:46:38,810 --> 01:46:35,880
back to your point I'm not being Devil's

2309
01:46:42,830 --> 01:46:38,820
Advocate but I am saying that in a

2310
01:46:45,169 --> 01:46:42,840
secret access or a you use app uh

2311
01:46:49,310 --> 01:46:45,179
situation that they don't give a crap

2312
01:46:53,930 --> 01:46:49,320
about who is the president that program

2313
01:46:56,990 --> 01:46:53,940
needs to be kept secret and it's not

2314
01:46:58,250 --> 01:46:57,000
going to get disclosed to a president or

2315
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:58,260
anybody else

2316
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:00,480
okay but I'll I'll follow on from that

2317
01:47:03,950 --> 01:47:02,400
if that's the case if that is the

2318
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:03,960
attitude and I do think that that is

2319
01:47:07,310 --> 01:47:05,520
potentially What's Happening Here If

2320
01:47:08,930 --> 01:47:07,320
there are people in defense and

2321
01:47:10,370 --> 01:47:08,940
intelligence and indeed in private

2322
01:47:12,649 --> 01:47:10,380
Aerospace who've taken it upon

2323
01:47:15,649 --> 01:47:12,659
themselves to keep this secret as The

2324
01:47:18,490 --> 01:47:15,659
Gatekeepers of this secret then they

2325
01:47:21,470 --> 01:47:18,500
have they have arguably committed

2326
01:47:22,669 --> 01:47:21,480
egregious moral crimes against the

2327
01:47:24,830 --> 01:47:22,679
American public

2328
01:47:25,850 --> 01:47:24,840
and I I think that the the interesting

2329
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:25,860
thing is

2330
01:47:30,410 --> 01:47:28,320
presidents have been lied to

2331
01:47:31,930 --> 01:47:30,420
because Jimmy Carter tried to find

2332
01:47:35,270 --> 01:47:31,940
dessert

2333
01:47:37,070 --> 01:47:35,280
Ronald Reagan yes they all they all

2334
01:47:39,470 --> 01:47:37,080
stated the same things

2335
01:47:41,689 --> 01:47:39,480
yeah and so I I think that there is

2336
01:47:44,030 --> 01:47:41,699
what's interesting is normally at around

2337
01:47:46,609 --> 01:47:44,040
about this point when this question is

2338
01:47:49,010 --> 01:47:46,619
asked there's always some jerk in the

2339
01:47:51,590 --> 01:47:49,020
mainstream media who plays woo-woo music

2340
01:47:53,689 --> 01:47:51,600
X-Files music flying saucerer in the

2341
01:47:56,330 --> 01:47:53,699
background it really gives me the shits

2342
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:56,340
this is a really serious issue yes it is

2343
01:48:01,970 --> 01:47:58,560
you know what we are talking about here

2344
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:01,980
is potentially the biggest story ever

2345
01:48:06,169 --> 01:48:04,560
and you said I think but let me let me

2346
01:48:09,649 --> 01:48:06,179
jump in though

2347
01:48:12,050 --> 01:48:09,659
um uh you also stated at the beginning

2348
01:48:14,330 --> 01:48:12,060
of the show and I agree with you on both

2349
01:48:16,669 --> 01:48:14,340
sides of the fence actually but you said

2350
01:48:19,070 --> 01:48:16,679
at the beginning if you you would lie

2351
01:48:24,530 --> 01:48:19,080
right if you were in possession of this

2352
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:24,540
you would lie about it right so I

2353
01:48:29,689 --> 01:48:27,840
well and I agree with both points I

2354
01:48:31,129 --> 01:48:29,699
agree with both points

2355
01:48:32,930 --> 01:48:31,139
one of the things you might want to ask

2356
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:32,940
Lou Elizondo about because I did in my

2357
01:48:36,590 --> 01:48:34,800
interview with him uh and it'll go to

2358
01:48:39,470 --> 01:48:36,600
air in a longer form of the documentary

2359
01:48:41,810 --> 01:48:39,480
that we made later this year but I asked

2360
01:48:44,330 --> 01:48:41,820
Lou and I also asked Chris Mellon I said

2361
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:44,340
isn't this a crime if if there is this

2362
01:48:48,770 --> 01:48:46,080
program in existence inside the US

2363
01:48:51,410 --> 01:48:48,780
government and if you Chris as a former

2364
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:51,420
deputy assistant Secretary of Defense or

2365
01:48:54,890 --> 01:48:53,280
as a congressional staffer on the Senate

2366
01:48:57,050 --> 01:48:54,900
intelligence committee with all the

2367
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:57,060
accesses that you were given as an

2368
01:49:01,010 --> 01:48:59,520
oversight committee staffer if you

2369
01:49:03,709 --> 01:49:01,020
weren't allowed to be told about this

2370
01:49:05,149 --> 01:49:03,719
surely it's a crime and Chris laughed

2371
01:49:07,370 --> 01:49:05,159
and he said you know what

2372
01:49:09,410 --> 01:49:07,380
I don't think it is a crime

2373
01:49:11,810 --> 01:49:09,420
I don't think there is a law that says

2374
01:49:14,030 --> 01:49:11,820
that you you can't lie to the American

2375
01:49:16,490 --> 01:49:14,040
public and it's a really interesting

2376
01:49:19,010 --> 01:49:16,500
issue because fundamentally

2377
01:49:21,169 --> 01:49:19,020
uh has somebody inside the American

2378
01:49:23,209 --> 01:49:21,179
government taken the view that it's best

2379
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:23,219
for the American people that this

2380
01:49:27,890 --> 01:49:25,679
technology if it is there be developed

2381
01:49:31,129 --> 01:49:27,900
in the black in secret for as long as

2382
01:49:33,410 --> 01:49:31,139
possible so that it gives us you America

2383
01:49:35,390 --> 01:49:33,420
and hopefully us Australia as your ally

2384
01:49:38,570 --> 01:49:35,400
an edge strategically against

2385
01:49:41,570 --> 01:49:38,580
authoritarian regimes that pose a a real

2386
01:49:44,689 --> 01:49:41,580
threat to our flourishing democracies if

2387
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:44,699
that's the case then great but I don't

2388
01:49:50,330 --> 01:49:47,280
know if it's sustainable in light of the

2389
01:49:52,609 --> 01:49:50,340
fact that the public outrage will be

2390
01:49:55,129 --> 01:49:52,619
immense when they learn that they've

2391
01:49:57,649 --> 01:49:55,139
been lied to when media particularly

2392
01:50:00,290 --> 01:49:57,659
mainstream media learns and I mean I was

2393
01:50:02,990 --> 01:50:00,300
gobsmacked last year Jimmy when the

2394
01:50:05,149 --> 01:50:03,000
imminent paper that the world's most

2395
01:50:08,089 --> 01:50:05,159
powerful newspaper the New York Times

2396
01:50:11,169 --> 01:50:08,099
all the News That's fit to print when it

2397
01:50:14,330 --> 01:50:11,179
went public with a story that said

2398
01:50:16,490 --> 01:50:14,340
categorically that there there are

2399
01:50:19,370 --> 01:50:16,500
people saying that there are recovered

2400
01:50:22,129 --> 01:50:19,380
craft recovered non-human materials

2401
01:50:24,530 --> 01:50:22,139
exotic materials I waited for the rest

2402
01:50:27,649 --> 01:50:24,540
of the media to go crikey that's a story

2403
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:27,659
that's a story I've been screaming from

2404
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:30,960
the mountaintops Ross about I mean the

2405
01:50:38,689 --> 01:50:36,000
article ah whatever it was it was just a

2406
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:38,699
a rehash of everything down at the

2407
01:50:44,689 --> 01:50:41,760
bottom that quote you know it should to

2408
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:44,699
Eric Davis was probably the most

2409
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:48,960
important line of type in the history of

2410
01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:53,040
everything it was right there where was

2411
01:50:59,050 --> 01:50:55,920
the journalist where was the guy or the

2412
01:51:03,890 --> 01:50:59,060
girl to step up and go hold on a minute

2413
01:51:07,850 --> 01:51:03,900
Eric Davis what what gives here and it

2414
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:07,860
died it died on the vine Ross yeah yeah

2415
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:11,280
I don't know why after that New York

2416
01:51:16,669 --> 01:51:14,400
Times story and and especially after so

2417
01:51:18,830 --> 01:51:16,679
many people so many officials including

2418
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:18,840
former CIA directors For Heaven's Sake

2419
01:51:22,729 --> 01:51:20,400
have actually acknowledged the reality

2420
01:51:24,770 --> 01:51:22,739
of this phenomenon I don't know why

2421
01:51:27,169 --> 01:51:24,780
there hasn't been aggressive questioning

2422
01:51:29,930 --> 01:51:27,179
at the White House briefings and instead

2423
01:51:32,089 --> 01:51:29,940
you get this ridiculous childish nervous

2424
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:32,099
titter from journalists who really

2425
01:51:36,350 --> 01:51:34,320
should know better who've allowed

2426
01:51:38,089 --> 01:51:36,360
themselves to be manipulated and that's

2427
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,099
the thing that was the realization I

2428
01:51:43,550 --> 01:51:40,320
came to after two two and a bit years of

2429
01:51:46,729 --> 01:51:43,560
research I realized oh my God we've been

2430
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:46,739
had we we in the media have been played

2431
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:49,440
we've been LED down the path into

2432
01:51:55,010 --> 01:51:52,560
assuming that this is all rubbish that

2433
01:51:57,890 --> 01:51:55,020
we shouldn't take it seriously when in

2434
01:51:59,870 --> 01:51:57,900
fact the overwhelming evidence the

2435
01:52:02,990 --> 01:51:59,880
historical evidence from the archives

2436
01:52:04,609 --> 01:52:03,000
alone shows that I mean a turning point

2437
01:52:06,290 --> 01:52:04,619
for me was when I started going through

2438
01:52:08,570 --> 01:52:06,300
the archives of our defense department

2439
01:52:10,609 --> 01:52:08,580
and some of my colleagues in Australia

2440
01:52:12,770 --> 01:52:10,619
like Bill Chalker and Keith basterfield

2441
01:52:14,930 --> 01:52:12,780
and Paul Dean they've done amazing work

2442
01:52:18,169 --> 01:52:14,940
on this but they've pulled out of the

2443
01:52:21,290 --> 01:52:18,179
Australian archives documents that show

2444
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:21,300
incredible sightings of clearly

2445
01:52:25,729 --> 01:52:23,520
intelligently controlled objects that

2446
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:25,739
that experts in our defense science

2447
01:52:29,450 --> 01:52:27,840
organization like a guy called Harry

2448
01:52:32,570 --> 01:52:29,460
Turner who was the head of Defense

2449
01:52:34,370 --> 01:52:32,580
science for a while back in the 1970s he

2450
01:52:36,109 --> 01:52:34,380
Pro he pretty much said look we can't

2451
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,119
trust the Americans they're not telling

2452
01:52:40,729 --> 01:52:38,639
us the whole story it's quite clear that

2453
01:52:42,770 --> 01:52:40,739
there is a secret program going on it's

2454
01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:42,780
quite clear that they are detecting

2455
01:52:46,790 --> 01:52:44,880
objects that are not of human origin

2456
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:46,800
it's quite clear that these are

2457
01:52:51,530 --> 01:52:49,199
intelligently controlled craft we should

2458
01:52:53,689 --> 01:52:51,540
be investigating these things and you

2459
01:52:56,450 --> 01:52:53,699
know what happened Harry was shut down

2460
01:52:59,390 --> 01:52:56,460
because our Air Force checked with the

2461
01:53:01,850 --> 01:52:59,400
American Air Force gur the American Air

2462
01:53:04,129 --> 01:53:01,860
Force yet again shut down the narrative

2463
01:53:06,830 --> 01:53:04,139
and I think people should be asking

2464
01:53:08,750 --> 01:53:06,840
people should be saying why the hell do

2465
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:08,760
we let the Air Force get away with it

2466
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:11,760
they can say that there's you know

2467
01:53:14,990 --> 01:53:13,199
there's a power that's more important

2468
01:53:18,189 --> 01:53:15,000
than a president they can assert that

2469
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:18,199
but they are wrong because fundamentally

2470
01:53:23,450 --> 01:53:21,840
America is a democracy its government of

2471
01:53:25,850 --> 01:53:23,460
the people who are the people by the

2472
01:53:29,810 --> 01:53:25,860
people the Congress is the dominant

2473
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:29,820
oversight body it controls the money and

2474
01:53:36,109 --> 01:53:32,880
if the Air Force has lied if officials

2475
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:36,119
have lied then let's hang them from a

2476
01:53:39,890 --> 01:53:38,159
gate post outside the front of Congress

2477
01:53:42,109 --> 01:53:39,900
tar and feather them and drag them

2478
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:42,119
around Washington with a Humvee and

2479
01:53:46,250 --> 01:53:44,400
excoriate them for the lying bastards

2480
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:46,260
that they are what do you what are you

2481
01:53:51,709 --> 01:53:48,320
really trying to say Ross

2482
01:53:55,070 --> 01:53:51,719
but see and here's here's here's the

2483
01:53:57,410 --> 01:53:55,080
other part of this which I think may be

2484
01:54:00,350 --> 01:53:57,420
in large part what is going on

2485
01:54:03,169 --> 01:54:00,360
that as long as we fight about this or

2486
01:54:06,169 --> 01:54:03,179
have the question about this and what

2487
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:06,179
technology we do and don't have keeps

2488
01:54:13,129 --> 01:54:09,360
Russia and China on edge they don't know

2489
01:54:16,189 --> 01:54:13,139
what we actually have and with the UAP

2490
01:54:19,970 --> 01:54:16,199
task force report I think that was a

2491
01:54:22,970 --> 01:54:19,980
pretty ingenious way of suggesting to

2492
01:54:25,250 --> 01:54:22,980
Russia that we do have this technology

2493
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:25,260
in a roundabout way

2494
01:54:29,089 --> 01:54:27,599
and that's one of the reasons why even

2495
01:54:31,310 --> 01:54:29,099
though a man of the Eminence of

2496
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:31,320
netcoverts the guy I told you about who

2497
01:54:36,530 --> 01:54:34,320
was a former U.S Navy r d guy other

2498
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:36,540
people I've spoken extensively to people

2499
01:54:43,070 --> 01:54:38,880
who've contacted me who purport to know

2500
01:54:45,890 --> 01:54:43,080
about the program I'm still skeptical I

2501
01:54:47,930 --> 01:54:45,900
have to be because it's always possible

2502
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:47,940
that what this is is deliberate

2503
01:54:54,109 --> 01:54:50,639
disinformation by your government as you

2504
01:54:56,750 --> 01:54:54,119
say to try and convince its Rivals its

2505
01:54:58,970 --> 01:54:56,760
strategic enemies such as Russia China

2506
01:55:01,070 --> 01:54:58,980
that it's far more powerful than it's

2507
01:55:02,450 --> 01:55:01,080
letting on and I noticed Russia's doing

2508
01:55:05,330 --> 01:55:02,460
the same you know they've been talking

2509
01:55:07,669 --> 01:55:05,340
about these Hypersonic missiles from

2510
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:07,679
recent years and and they haven't really

2511
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:10,080
provided the hard evidence to show that

2512
01:55:13,790 --> 01:55:11,760
they have the capabilities that they've

2513
01:55:16,430 --> 01:55:13,800
boasted that they have just recently

2514
01:55:18,410 --> 01:55:16,440
there's been even more Curious ads that

2515
01:55:20,930 --> 01:55:18,420
have appeared for what sounds like a new

2516
01:55:22,850 --> 01:55:20,940
single-seat fighter a new Mig that's

2517
01:55:25,850 --> 01:55:22,860
going to be released I think by Sukhoi

2518
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:25,860
actually and the Russians have been that

2519
01:55:29,689 --> 01:55:28,080
it's a completely new type of Aerospace

2520
01:55:31,970 --> 01:55:29,699
technology

2521
01:55:34,729 --> 01:55:31,980
Every Nation does this every nation

2522
01:55:36,709 --> 01:55:34,739
plays I mean the the best example of

2523
01:55:38,810 --> 01:55:36,719
this was the lies that were told prior

2524
01:55:41,689 --> 01:55:38,820
to the D-Day invasion in World War II

2525
01:55:43,669 --> 01:55:41,699
that probably saved many many lives

2526
01:55:44,870 --> 01:55:43,679
because we let the Germans think that we

2527
01:55:47,930 --> 01:55:44,880
were going to be landing on different

2528
01:55:50,810 --> 01:55:47,940
points of the the coastline rather than

2529
01:55:52,729 --> 01:55:50,820
where we did land in Normandy and and I

2530
01:55:56,209 --> 01:55:52,739
think lies have to be told in government

2531
01:55:58,430 --> 01:55:56,219
occasionally but I don't think the

2532
01:56:00,290 --> 01:55:58,440
officials are holding on to this secret

2533
01:56:03,229 --> 01:56:00,300
I'm not persuaded that they're holding

2534
01:56:05,390 --> 01:56:03,239
on to this secret for laudable reasons I

2535
01:56:08,510 --> 01:56:05,400
think part of the problem is the LIE has

2536
01:56:10,790 --> 01:56:08,520
been allowed to go on for so long now

2537
01:56:12,890 --> 01:56:10,800
and it was plausibly kept during the

2538
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:12,900
Cold War I can understand why they did

2539
01:56:18,169 --> 01:56:16,320
that but now we're 30 years on plus from

2540
01:56:20,270 --> 01:56:18,179
the end of the Cold War nearly 50 years

2541
01:56:22,850 --> 01:56:20,280
on from the end of the Cold War and

2542
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:22,860
frankly it's time the public knew the

2543
01:56:27,229 --> 01:56:25,199
full story and I know from my own

2544
01:56:29,870 --> 01:56:27,239
sources that there is a much broader

2545
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:29,880
story there to be told and I think

2546
01:56:34,910 --> 01:56:32,639
what's happening is the UAP task force

2547
01:56:38,209 --> 01:56:34,920
is the beginning of an attempt to try to

2548
01:56:40,010 --> 01:56:38,219
do that but as I've said earlier they're

2549
01:56:42,350 --> 01:56:40,020
trying to control the narrative they're

2550
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:42,360
trying to avoid talking about retrieved

2551
01:56:50,990 --> 01:56:48,709
technology that they're already secretly

2552
01:56:53,149 --> 01:56:51,000
attempting to re-engineer they're trying

2553
01:56:55,010 --> 01:56:53,159
to suppress that narrative and they're

2554
01:56:57,410 --> 01:56:55,020
trying to essentially lead the public to

2555
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,420
the view that oh my goodness we've just

2556
01:57:00,890 --> 01:56:59,280
discovered this phenomenon and we agree

2557
01:57:03,350 --> 01:57:00,900
with you it is real and and we'd better

2558
01:57:05,629 --> 01:57:03,360
start investigating it and it's all

2559
01:57:07,550 --> 01:57:05,639
about buying time while they work on

2560
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:07,560
what I think is happening which is

2561
01:57:12,169 --> 01:57:09,360
anti-gravity and all Alternative Energy

2562
01:57:13,970 --> 01:57:12,179
Systems in the black do you think in a

2563
01:57:17,050 --> 01:57:13,980
couple minutes that we have left before

2564
01:57:19,850 --> 01:57:17,060
the break do you think it's because

2565
01:57:22,430 --> 01:57:19,860
this conversation is happening publicly

2566
01:57:24,890 --> 01:57:22,440
because uh

2567
01:57:27,470 --> 01:57:24,900
they know that the world can handle it

2568
01:57:30,830 --> 01:57:27,480
right that maybe nobody's going to jump

2569
01:57:33,470 --> 01:57:30,840
off of bridges and and economies are

2570
01:57:36,229 --> 01:57:33,480
going to collapse and they need to get

2571
01:57:37,810 --> 01:57:36,239
out in front of something that is not in

2572
01:57:40,070 --> 01:57:37,820
their control

2573
01:57:42,709 --> 01:57:40,080
well as we can discuss in the next

2574
01:57:44,510 --> 01:57:42,719
segment Jimmy I think potentially the

2575
01:57:46,790 --> 01:57:44,520
explanation is that the United States

2576
01:57:49,370 --> 01:57:46,800
has been experimenting with this

2577
01:57:51,109 --> 01:57:49,380
technology and that it may indeed be on

2578
01:57:53,689 --> 01:57:51,119
the point of unveiling it

2579
01:57:56,330 --> 01:57:53,699
and from a from the stuff I've seen in

2580
01:57:58,550 --> 01:57:56,340
Australia way way up in Northwest Cape

2581
01:58:01,490 --> 01:57:58,560
one plausible explanation for the

2582
01:58:03,830 --> 01:58:01,500
anomalous objects that were seen over a

2583
01:58:05,810 --> 01:58:03,840
very very remote U.S base in that part

2584
01:58:08,810 --> 01:58:05,820
of Australia is that there has been

2585
01:58:11,030 --> 01:58:08,820
secret testing of U.S technology in a

2586
01:58:12,950 --> 01:58:11,040
part of the world where nobody really

2587
01:58:14,229 --> 01:58:12,960
expected the locals to take any notice

2588
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:14,239
yeah

2589
01:58:18,770 --> 01:58:16,560
go ahead I'm sorry

2590
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:18,780
no the locals did take notice and it's a

2591
01:58:22,250 --> 01:58:20,400
very very interesting story yeah we're

2592
01:58:23,990 --> 01:58:22,260
going to cover all of that when we come

2593
01:58:26,689 --> 01:58:24,000
back this is Fade to Black I'm your host

2594
01:58:28,850 --> 01:58:26,699
Jimmy Church live from Australia Ross

2595
01:58:30,950 --> 01:58:28,860
colthart what a great conversation

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everybody just stay right there this is

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra the global radio Alliance

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I'm I'm I'm tweeting everybody I'm

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texting

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excuse me a little late this is Fade to

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block I am your host Jimmy Church our

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guest tonight live from Australia Ross

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culthart now this is the deal Ross all

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right I've been following you very

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closely and I've also studied this

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subject for so long and I'm very aware

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of the importance of Australia and as

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you started to

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reveal things and your thought process

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over the last couple of years I was like

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that's what I'm on about right there

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Ross don't stop

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if you are

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a strategic partner with a country a

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continent right a continent

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like Australia that is uh populated on a

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couple of coasts right and and you have

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this expanse of nothingness in the

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middle you've got Coastline that is uh

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remote

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uh on on all sides of Australia if

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you're going to

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uh need an area to test

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to monitor uh to build things you're

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going to do it in Australia

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there isn't a better choice on this

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planet is there

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no it is not in fact one of the most in

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fact probably the most important Base

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outside of the Continental USA for

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America is Pine Gap in the middle of

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Australia

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um it's an awesomely secure site just

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02:05:12,890 --> 02:05:11,520
near Alice Springs near Ayers Rock or

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Uluru the big rock in the middle of

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central Australia and originally it was

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used to

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um they had what are called the DSP

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satellites the defense Support Program

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satellites were used to detect missile

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flares over countries like China North

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Korea Russia and it would essentially an

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early warning of ballistic missiles

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being launched in that let's pin that to

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the wall right there because we're going

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to come back and do a deep dive into the

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DSP system but continue

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sure the the dsps were very very

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02:05:49,189 --> 02:05:47,099
important they're kind of being

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02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:49,199
overtaken by new technology now but

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02:05:52,850 --> 02:05:50,880
there was a lovely guy he's since I

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think passed away Jeff Richardson who

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first tweaked me to the uh incredible

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02:05:59,870 --> 02:05:57,719
significance of pine Gap he actually

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told me it was the most important base

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02:06:05,089 --> 02:06:03,300
for the U.S outside of the US and I've

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been privileged as a journalist to be

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02:06:10,490 --> 02:06:07,800
taken into some defense facilities in

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Australia and uh there's a site that

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I've been to where literally I'm in a

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a Suburban part of Australia and I'm

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looking at a screen and I'm looking at a

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drone feed from Afghanistan and it made

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me realize we are patched into America

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with Incredible satellite connections

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02:06:32,689 --> 02:06:30,360
and fiber optic links like I never

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02:06:34,129 --> 02:06:32,699
realized as a journalist rightly or

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02:06:36,109 --> 02:06:34,139
wrongly you know and we've followed you

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02:06:38,930 --> 02:06:36,119
into almost every war since World War

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02:06:40,430 --> 02:06:38,940
one and we've been a staunch Ally and I

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02:06:42,649 --> 02:06:40,440
think if you were going to test

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technology here's my theory

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I stumbled across a story with the help

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02:06:49,250 --> 02:06:47,219
of my friend Keith besterfield in

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02:06:52,189 --> 02:06:49,260
Australia he put me onto a story about a

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place called North West Cape which is

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the Harold e Holt Naval Communications

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station and everybody had got focused on

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Pine Gap but here way way up in the far

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Northwest of Northwestern Australia on

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the literally the edge of the Outback is

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this American base that was built in

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1966.

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and it was American until 1991 when

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eventually the labor Hawk government of

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prime minister Bob Hawke reverted it

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02:07:21,169 --> 02:07:20,219
back to Australian control but it still

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operates

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but for that period from the 60s to the

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early 90s it was an incredibly important

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02:07:32,209 --> 02:07:29,420
base for America because

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the satellite links between submarines

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nuclear missile submarines and um

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America were not as good as they are now

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02:07:42,530 --> 02:07:40,860
and so they needed a radio communication

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system that could communicate with

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American submarines underwater and

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essentially the vlf transmitted a very

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02:07:52,970 --> 02:07:50,159
low frequency transmitters at Harold

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02:07:55,310 --> 02:07:52,980
Holt base which rise hundreds it's a

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02:07:57,890 --> 02:07:55,320
weird looking place they write hundreds

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02:07:59,450 --> 02:07:57,900
of meters into the air and it's like a

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02:08:01,450 --> 02:07:59,460
big hexagon a lot of people have

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attached some religious significance

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02:08:07,250 --> 02:08:04,739
there is religious significance to that

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02:08:09,709 --> 02:08:07,260
Ross it's incredible it's it's a

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02:08:14,209 --> 02:08:09,719
beautifully designed base

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02:08:16,729 --> 02:08:14,219
yeah and anyway in 1973

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there was the weirdest incident that

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02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:18,840
took place over the space and it's

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02:08:26,629 --> 02:08:22,560
recorded in archival documents that were

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02:08:28,250 --> 02:08:26,639
provided by citing's witnesses to the

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02:08:31,010 --> 02:08:28,260
Australian government to the Australian

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Air Force and those sightings show that

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within hours of Henry Kissinger the then

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U.S Secretary of State in the Nixon

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White House he gave the order to go from

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Defcon 4 which is just normal peacetime

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peacetime defense condition to go to

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Defcon 3 because the Russians look like

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they might go into the Middle East they

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might send their troops into Syria to

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support the syrians and end up in a war

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02:08:57,649 --> 02:08:55,260
against Israel and it was a really close

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02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:57,659
run thing quite a terrifying moment in

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02:09:02,030 --> 02:09:00,000
world history where we came closer to

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02:09:04,129 --> 02:09:02,040
nuclear war than everybody cares to

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02:09:05,689 --> 02:09:04,139
admit and Henry Kissinger himself has

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02:09:08,209 --> 02:09:05,699
nominated this as one of the hairiest

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02:09:10,490 --> 02:09:08,219
moments of his career but he gave the

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02:09:13,490 --> 02:09:10,500
order to go to Defcon 3 which is the

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highest peacetime defense condition and

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it meant for example couple that B-52s

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were scrambled to get ready on Guam

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02:09:23,629 --> 02:09:20,639
which is near Australia it meant that

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02:09:26,089 --> 02:09:23,639
the the 82nd Airborne was put on alert

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02:09:29,629 --> 02:09:26,099
to be deployed it was essentially the

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02:09:32,629 --> 02:09:29,639
beginning of a wind-up for World War III

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02:09:35,390 --> 02:09:32,639
at within hours of that alert being

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02:09:36,370 --> 02:09:35,400
issued in the Nixon White House at 11 30

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02:09:39,169 --> 02:09:36,380
at night

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02:09:41,149 --> 02:09:39,179
way over on the other side of the world

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02:09:43,669 --> 02:09:41,159
at the Harold Holt Naval communication

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02:09:46,250 --> 02:09:43,679
station it was just coming up to dusk

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02:09:49,250 --> 02:09:46,260
and the American Deputy based Commander

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02:09:52,189 --> 02:09:49,260
a lieutenant commander Moya or Maya

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02:09:55,729 --> 02:09:52,199
looked up as he was walking along and

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02:09:58,729 --> 02:09:55,739
saw a spherical object hovering either

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02:10:00,530 --> 02:09:58,739
over or just adjacent to the base

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02:10:03,470 --> 02:10:00,540
and

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02:10:05,689 --> 02:10:03,480
it was weird because it it wasn't a

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02:10:07,850 --> 02:10:05,699
cloud it wasn't a formation of birds it

2841
02:10:09,350 --> 02:10:07,860
was clearly a solid object and he was

2842
02:10:10,850 --> 02:10:09,360
clearly freaked out by it because I

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02:10:13,370 --> 02:10:10,860
think in his notes that he provided in

2844
02:10:15,109 --> 02:10:13,380
his sightings report he described it as

2845
02:10:17,209 --> 02:10:15,119
something he'd like something he'd never

2846
02:10:19,250 --> 02:10:17,219
seen before and there was a fireman

2847
02:10:21,290 --> 02:10:19,260
called Bill Lin who saw the same thing

2848
02:10:23,930 --> 02:10:21,300
and he drew it and what he drew was

2849
02:10:27,649 --> 02:10:23,940
essentially a kind of fat Flying Saucer

2850
02:10:30,410 --> 02:10:27,659
with a kind of a rim on it with a ball a

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02:10:31,370 --> 02:10:30,420
charcoal colored spherical ball in the

2852
02:10:33,890 --> 02:10:31,380
middle of it

2853
02:10:35,810 --> 02:10:33,900
and that's the beginning of what are a

2854
02:10:38,209 --> 02:10:35,820
series of sightings reports in the

2855
02:10:40,910 --> 02:10:38,219
Australian archives which show really

2856
02:10:44,209 --> 02:10:40,920
weird stuff happening over this part of

2857
02:10:46,490 --> 02:10:44,219
Australia it looks as though some kind

2858
02:10:49,310 --> 02:10:46,500
of advanced technology has been taking

2859
02:10:51,649 --> 02:10:49,320
an extremely close interest in Northwest

2860
02:10:54,350 --> 02:10:51,659
cape and it's a very interesting area

2861
02:10:57,050 --> 02:10:54,360
now because not only is there still

2862
02:10:59,209 --> 02:10:57,060
because I should explain

2863
02:11:01,069 --> 02:10:59,219
the reason why Northwest Cape is so

2864
02:11:03,950 --> 02:11:01,079
sensitive was Kept Secret for many many

2865
02:11:06,410 --> 02:11:03,960
years but it is from that base that in

2866
02:11:08,450 --> 02:11:06,420
the event of World War III the

2867
02:11:11,330 --> 02:11:08,460
president's orders to launch nuclear

2868
02:11:14,030 --> 02:11:11,340
missiles would be sent to submarines in

2869
02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:14,040
the Indian Ocean and essentially the vlf

2870
02:11:19,189 --> 02:11:16,320
signal would be a very short message

2871
02:11:20,569 --> 02:11:19,199
saying come closer to the surface and

2872
02:11:21,589 --> 02:11:20,579
then when they came closer to the

2873
02:11:23,510 --> 02:11:21,599
surface and deployed their

2874
02:11:25,129 --> 02:11:23,520
Communications beacons they would then

2875
02:11:28,250 --> 02:11:25,139
be sent the codes to launch their

2876
02:11:30,649 --> 02:11:28,260
missiles all at War it was that blooming

2877
02:11:32,810 --> 02:11:30,659
close Jimmy that that was what was

2878
02:11:35,810 --> 02:11:32,820
happening and that was the key role that

2879
02:11:37,729 --> 02:11:35,820
this Australian base played and again

2880
02:11:40,490 --> 02:11:37,739
as my friend and colleague Robert

2881
02:11:42,589 --> 02:11:40,500
Hastings the best expert on UFOs and

2882
02:11:44,689 --> 02:11:42,599
nukes anywhere has explained this this

2883
02:11:47,930 --> 02:11:44,699
is a clear example of the definitive

2884
02:11:50,629 --> 02:11:47,940
link between uaps and nuclear weapons

2885
02:11:52,550 --> 02:11:50,639
facilities this facility was clearly

2886
02:11:54,649 --> 02:11:52,560
used for the purpose of targeting

2887
02:11:56,390 --> 02:11:54,659
nuclear weapons something that was Kept

2888
02:11:58,790 --> 02:11:56,400
Secret from Australians for quite a few

2889
02:12:00,890 --> 02:11:58,800
years but since then they've been

2890
02:12:03,229 --> 02:12:00,900
special forces soldiers who've seen

2891
02:12:06,169 --> 02:12:03,239
weird black triangles hovering over them

2892
02:12:07,970 --> 02:12:06,179
during exercises on another occasion at

2893
02:12:09,649 --> 02:12:07,980
the Royal Australian Air Force Base

2894
02:12:13,669 --> 02:12:09,659
liamont which is the main public

2895
02:12:17,689 --> 02:12:13,679
Aerodrome there an sas Patrol our combat

2896
02:12:19,790 --> 02:12:17,699
Commando Elite Commando Squadron looked

2897
02:12:22,250 --> 02:12:19,800
up and saw a sphere hovering over the

2898
02:12:24,290 --> 02:12:22,260
airport there and then

2899
02:12:26,990 --> 02:12:24,300
one woman I tracked down a woman called

2900
02:12:31,189 --> 02:12:27,000
Annie we name her in my book her name is

2901
02:12:33,770 --> 02:12:31,199
Annie faronaccio she's a local woman of

2902
02:12:35,510 --> 02:12:33,780
of some repute she's basically uh worked

2903
02:12:37,069 --> 02:12:35,520
on the parole board over there so she's

2904
02:12:39,649 --> 02:12:37,079
been a very senior government official

2905
02:12:41,870 --> 02:12:39,659
trusted with um responsibilities and

2906
02:12:42,830 --> 02:12:41,880
trusted as a respected member of the

2907
02:12:45,770 --> 02:12:42,840
community

2908
02:12:47,390 --> 02:12:45,780
she was a young woman uh going up to

2909
02:12:50,149 --> 02:12:47,400
meet some American friends shortly

2910
02:12:53,089 --> 02:12:50,159
before the base was handed over in 1991

2911
02:12:55,010 --> 02:12:53,099
by America back to Australia and she

2912
02:12:56,629 --> 02:12:55,020
described to me and we put this in the

2913
02:12:58,790 --> 02:12:56,639
documentary and I put it in the book as

2914
02:13:00,470 --> 02:12:58,800
well this extraordinary incident that

2915
02:13:02,350 --> 02:13:00,480
took place where she walked out of the

2916
02:13:05,870 --> 02:13:02,360
base at about 2 30 in the morning

2917
02:13:08,270 --> 02:13:05,880
realized that she couldn't get a cab so

2918
02:13:10,729 --> 02:13:08,280
she asked around and sure enough two

2919
02:13:13,250 --> 02:13:10,739
policemen two Australian policemen gave

2920
02:13:15,830 --> 02:13:13,260
her a ride home and so they're driving

2921
02:13:18,109 --> 02:13:15,840
the five or six kilometers along the

2922
02:13:20,689 --> 02:13:18,119
dark Coastal road driving back to

2923
02:13:23,209 --> 02:13:20,699
exmouth which is the joint American and

2924
02:13:26,390 --> 02:13:23,219
Australian community at that time where

2925
02:13:28,069 --> 02:13:26,400
everybody lived and all of a sudden like

2926
02:13:31,010 --> 02:13:28,079
something out of Close Encounters the

2927
02:13:34,069 --> 02:13:31,020
road is lit up in front of them and the

2928
02:13:35,750 --> 02:13:34,079
two policemen go it's back

2929
02:13:37,550 --> 02:13:35,760
and they've obviously had an experience

2930
02:13:40,669 --> 02:13:37,560
the night before because they've brought

2931
02:13:42,589 --> 02:13:40,679
a 35 millimeter SLR camera and they

2932
02:13:43,729 --> 02:13:42,599
start shooting photographs through the

2933
02:13:47,209 --> 02:13:43,739
windscreen

2934
02:13:49,129 --> 02:13:47,219
and as Annie describes it she pushes

2935
02:13:51,470 --> 02:13:49,139
she's pushed forward when she asks what

2936
02:13:53,810 --> 02:13:51,480
is it and she looks up and it's this

2937
02:13:56,030 --> 02:13:53,820
massive black triangle with lights

2938
02:13:58,430 --> 02:13:56,040
running down its spine and lights in

2939
02:13:59,750 --> 02:13:58,440
each Corner which is hovering right over

2940
02:14:02,209 --> 02:13:59,760
them and she said it's clearly

2941
02:14:04,370 --> 02:14:02,219
intelligently controlled because as

2942
02:14:07,490 --> 02:14:04,380
she's watching she screams when it does

2943
02:14:09,169 --> 02:14:07,500
this it just instantaneously goes to a

2944
02:14:10,790 --> 02:14:09,179
thousand feet above the car which is

2945
02:14:13,750 --> 02:14:10,800
traveling at about 100 kilometers an

2946
02:14:16,609 --> 02:14:13,760
hour and then it immediately drops down

2947
02:14:18,350 --> 02:14:16,619
parallel with the window of the car and

2948
02:14:20,149 --> 02:14:18,360
it's literally hovering over the bush

2949
02:14:23,030 --> 02:14:20,159
over the scrub by the side of the road

2950
02:14:24,830 --> 02:14:23,040
keeping Pace with the car and then as

2951
02:14:27,589 --> 02:14:24,840
she's reacting and screaming and getting

2952
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:27,599
very upset it flicks up again to a

2953
02:14:31,250 --> 02:14:29,280
thousand feet and then comes down on the

2954
02:14:32,689 --> 02:14:31,260
other side of the car and it's like it's

2955
02:14:34,970 --> 02:14:32,699
having a bit of fun it's like it's

2956
02:14:36,890 --> 02:14:34,980
buzzing them and

2957
02:14:38,689 --> 02:14:36,900
the way she describes it it's what

2958
02:14:40,069 --> 02:14:38,699
happened next which really freaked her

2959
02:14:42,410 --> 02:14:40,079
out because

2960
02:14:43,850 --> 02:14:42,420
she pleaded with the two policemen they

2961
02:14:46,010 --> 02:14:43,860
were Federal policemen from the

2962
02:14:48,109 --> 02:14:46,020
Australian Protective Services who were

2963
02:14:49,850 --> 02:14:48,119
doing the security for the base she

2964
02:14:51,830 --> 02:14:49,860
pleaded with them to drop her off back

2965
02:14:53,330 --> 02:14:51,840
in town and they did they dropped her

2966
02:14:54,410 --> 02:14:53,340
off at the edge of time but they told

2967
02:14:56,149 --> 02:14:54,420
her they were going to go and take

2968
02:14:58,609 --> 02:14:56,159
photographs of the object which they'd

2969
02:15:00,770 --> 02:14:58,619
seen Landing in the scrub

2970
02:15:02,750 --> 02:15:00,780
she thought nothing more of it until two

2971
02:15:05,629 --> 02:15:02,760
days later and this is why I think there

2972
02:15:08,149 --> 02:15:05,639
is possibly a link to the base two days

2973
02:15:10,490 --> 02:15:08,159
later two American Military policemen

2974
02:15:12,770 --> 02:15:10,500
walk into her workplace and there are

2975
02:15:15,109 --> 02:15:12,780
witnesses for this happening and they

2976
02:15:16,970 --> 02:15:15,119
ask her to come with them and she thinks

2977
02:15:18,709 --> 02:15:16,980
her friends her American friends are at

2978
02:15:21,050 --> 02:15:18,719
the base are in trouble because they've

2979
02:15:23,390 --> 02:15:21,060
got drunk at the base and you know had a

2980
02:15:24,709 --> 02:15:23,400
few too many and so that she she thinks

2981
02:15:26,330 --> 02:15:24,719
I better help my friends she doesn't

2982
02:15:27,950 --> 02:15:26,340
realize it's connected to the previous

2983
02:15:30,229 --> 02:15:27,960
incident that she'd seen the previous

2984
02:15:32,089 --> 02:15:30,239
two evenings ago

2985
02:15:34,370 --> 02:15:32,099
so she goes out with them and she

2986
02:15:36,290 --> 02:15:34,380
realizes very quickly that this is very

2987
02:15:38,450 --> 02:15:36,300
strange because she's ushered into the

2988
02:15:40,910 --> 02:15:38,460
most top secret section of the base the

2989
02:15:43,310 --> 02:15:40,920
area that she knows is closed off to

2990
02:15:45,470 --> 02:15:43,320
almost everyone in the base and there

2991
02:15:47,870 --> 02:15:45,480
she's taken down a long Corridor guarded

2992
02:15:49,669 --> 02:15:47,880
by military policemen and she's taken

2993
02:15:51,410 --> 02:15:49,679
into a room and they're sitting on

2994
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:51,420
chairs in the middle of the room looking

2995
02:15:56,510 --> 02:15:54,239
very hang dog are the two Australian

2996
02:15:57,649 --> 02:15:56,520
policemen who she was in the car with

2997
02:16:00,530 --> 02:15:57,659
that night

2998
02:16:03,470 --> 02:16:00,540
and they look very very dejected and she

2999
02:16:05,330 --> 02:16:03,480
sat down on a seat between them and then

3000
02:16:07,129 --> 02:16:05,340
she looks around the room and she

3001
02:16:08,750 --> 02:16:07,139
realizes she knows most of the people

3002
02:16:10,250 --> 02:16:08,760
most of the Americans of the base

3003
02:16:11,390 --> 02:16:10,260
because she's grown up with them she's

3004
02:16:13,609 --> 02:16:11,400
gone to school with their kids

3005
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:13,619
accidentally is a small community

3006
02:16:19,310 --> 02:16:17,040
everybody knows everybody right yeah and

3007
02:16:21,109 --> 02:16:19,320
yep that's exactly right and so she

3008
02:16:23,330 --> 02:16:21,119
realizes there are people who must have

3009
02:16:26,270 --> 02:16:23,340
flown in for this interrogation

3010
02:16:28,609 --> 02:16:26,280
which which emphasizes its significance

3011
02:16:31,550 --> 02:16:28,619
there are people dressed in very high

3012
02:16:33,770 --> 02:16:31,560
brass senior military uniform who she's

3013
02:16:36,169 --> 02:16:33,780
never seen before who must have come in

3014
02:16:38,509 --> 02:16:36,179
on the C5 Galaxy that came in the

3015
02:16:39,889 --> 02:16:38,519
previous day and then she she looks

3016
02:16:42,169 --> 02:16:39,899
around the room and she realizes the

3017
02:16:44,629 --> 02:16:42,179
only person identify as the base

3018
02:16:47,209 --> 02:16:44,639
commander who's sitting up the back and

3019
02:16:49,549 --> 02:16:47,219
then she's Harang she's interrogated and

3020
02:16:52,250 --> 02:16:49,559
she's told what you saw was a weather

3021
02:16:54,650 --> 02:16:52,260
balloon and she goes no what I saw was a

3022
02:16:57,049 --> 02:16:54,660
UFO and she's she's suggesting to them

3023
02:16:59,570 --> 02:16:57,059
that it was some kind of craft some kind

3024
02:17:01,610 --> 02:16:59,580
of intelligently controlled craft and

3025
02:17:04,429 --> 02:17:01,620
they try and Badger and Bully her into

3026
02:17:06,770 --> 02:17:04,439
changing her mind and to into denying

3027
02:17:08,990 --> 02:17:06,780
that it was some kind of craft and they

3028
02:17:11,270 --> 02:17:09,000
didn't reckon on a tough Aussie Sheila a

3029
02:17:13,490 --> 02:17:11,280
tough Aussie woman she uh she fights

3030
02:17:15,349 --> 02:17:13,500
back and she tells them no I'm not going

3031
02:17:17,089 --> 02:17:15,359
to say it was a blooming weather balloon

3032
02:17:19,009 --> 02:17:17,099
I know what a weather balloon looks like

3033
02:17:21,469 --> 02:17:19,019
and the reason she did was because her

3034
02:17:23,809 --> 02:17:21,479
father launched the weather balloons for

3035
02:17:26,089 --> 02:17:23,819
the local Metrology office from his

3036
02:17:28,070 --> 02:17:26,099
local farm so she'd seen weather

3037
02:17:30,049 --> 02:17:28,080
balloons she'd launched them she knew

3038
02:17:33,049 --> 02:17:30,059
what they looked like more importantly

3039
02:17:35,990 --> 02:17:33,059
she'd seen other anomalous objects in

3040
02:17:38,570 --> 02:17:36,000
her life over the exmouth Northwest Cape

3041
02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:38,580
area she and her family have had some

3042
02:17:45,410 --> 02:17:42,240
very weird experiences and so

3043
02:17:46,549 --> 02:17:45,420
basically in the end they let it go she

3044
02:17:49,490 --> 02:17:46,559
walked away

3045
02:17:51,410 --> 02:17:49,500
but one of the things she told me was

3046
02:17:54,770 --> 02:17:51,420
that she was left in no doubt at all

3047
02:17:56,809 --> 02:17:54,780
that they were desperately trying to

3048
02:17:58,669 --> 02:17:56,819
shut down her interest and her

3049
02:18:01,009 --> 02:17:58,679
willingness to talk about what she'd

3050
02:18:03,709 --> 02:18:01,019
seen and the two Australian policemen

3051
02:18:05,929 --> 02:18:03,719
the follow-up story for her was that she

3052
02:18:08,330 --> 02:18:05,939
went to see one of the policemen who she

3053
02:18:10,129 --> 02:18:08,340
knew lived in the town of exmouth and

3054
02:18:12,169 --> 02:18:10,139
they knocked on his door her cousin came

3055
02:18:13,669 --> 02:18:12,179
with her and they tell a very colorful

3056
02:18:15,410 --> 02:18:13,679
story about how they knocked on this

3057
02:18:17,150 --> 02:18:15,420
guy's door and he opened the door and

3058
02:18:19,129 --> 02:18:17,160
completely panicked when he saw them

3059
02:18:21,530 --> 02:18:19,139
standing there and said come inside did

3060
02:18:23,509 --> 02:18:21,540
anybody see you come and then he he

3061
02:18:25,730 --> 02:18:23,519
basically tells them that he and his

3062
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:25,740
federal police colleague photographed

3063
02:18:30,610 --> 02:18:28,800
the object on the ground and got

3064
02:18:34,870 --> 02:18:30,620
excellent photographs with their camera

3065
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:34,880
but incredibly they'd used the

3066
02:18:41,450 --> 02:18:37,439
photographic developing machine at the

3067
02:18:42,530 --> 02:18:41,460
PX at the shop on the base which gave

3068
02:18:45,290 --> 02:18:42,540
super cheap

3069
02:18:47,209 --> 02:18:45,300
photographs to everybody and then they'd

3070
02:18:49,309 --> 02:18:47,219
walked around the base for an hour or so

3071
02:18:50,750 --> 02:18:49,319
showing people these photographs within

3072
02:18:52,309 --> 02:18:50,760
within that period of time they

3073
02:18:54,410 --> 02:18:52,319
obviously came to the attention of the

3074
02:18:56,570 --> 02:18:54,420
security people and they were arrested

3075
02:18:58,429 --> 02:18:56,580
and the way they described it these

3076
02:19:01,370 --> 02:18:58,439
policemen they were basically arrested

3077
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:01,380
and interrogated and Annie and her

3078
02:19:06,290 --> 02:19:03,359
cousin were left in absolutely no doubt

3079
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:06,300
whatsoever that there was a genuine

3080
02:19:10,669 --> 02:19:08,160
attempt at a cover-up by the U.S

3081
02:19:12,709 --> 02:19:10,679
authorities to shut down any further

3082
02:19:15,589 --> 02:19:12,719
discussion or any further public

3083
02:19:17,469 --> 02:19:15,599
awareness of this incident what year was

3084
02:19:20,750 --> 02:19:17,479
this Ross

3085
02:19:23,929 --> 02:19:20,760
1991 so the very year that the Americans

3086
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:23,939
were pulling out of the uh base but

3087
02:19:29,389 --> 02:19:26,639
interestingly enough it comes in that

3088
02:19:32,450 --> 02:19:29,399
period in the late 80s when I I I've

3089
02:19:34,969 --> 02:19:32,460
just got a hunch here when George Knapp

3090
02:19:37,610 --> 02:19:34,979
had done such excellent work with Bob

3091
02:19:39,950 --> 02:19:37,620
Lazar and I don't know the truth or

3092
02:19:41,929 --> 02:19:39,960
veracity of Bob lazar's stories but what

3093
02:19:44,509 --> 02:19:41,939
I do suspect is that there is technology

3094
02:19:46,129 --> 02:19:44,519
that has been kept at Area 51 that the

3095
02:19:49,670 --> 02:19:46,139
United States didn't want people to know

3096
02:19:52,309 --> 02:19:49,680
about and whether true or not what

3097
02:19:54,650 --> 02:19:52,319
bubblazar did by talking to to George

3098
02:19:56,330 --> 02:19:54,660
Knapp about it raised public awareness

3099
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:56,340
and public consciousness of the

3100
02:20:01,429 --> 02:19:58,800
possibility the probability that there

3101
02:20:04,190 --> 02:20:01,439
was anomalous new technology being

3102
02:20:07,130 --> 02:20:04,200
tested perhaps even re-engineered at

3103
02:20:10,309 --> 02:20:07,140
Area 51 and other Associated ranges like

3104
02:20:12,349 --> 02:20:10,319
the Tonopah range or China Lake and so I

3105
02:20:15,110 --> 02:20:12,359
think the Americans perhaps became aware

3106
02:20:16,969 --> 02:20:15,120
that this was blown you had people like

3107
02:20:18,889 --> 02:20:16,979
um Jim Goodall sitting at the end of

3108
02:20:21,110 --> 02:20:18,899
Runway with a camera you know there was

3109
02:20:22,730 --> 02:20:21,120
a there was a whole culture now of

3110
02:20:24,770 --> 02:20:22,740
people who went out there with video

3111
02:20:27,349 --> 02:20:24,780
cameras and and monitored what was

3112
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:27,359
happening at area 51. so just

3113
02:20:32,090 --> 02:20:30,000
hypothetically what would you do if you

3114
02:20:35,030 --> 02:20:32,100
were the US and you were looking for a

3115
02:20:37,130 --> 02:20:35,040
place to test new technology wouldn't a

3116
02:20:40,730 --> 02:20:37,140
remote base in the far north west of

3117
02:20:43,070 --> 02:20:40,740
Australia with say oh Guam or Diego

3118
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:43,080
Garcia only a few thousand kilometers

3119
02:20:47,090 --> 02:20:45,120
distant wouldn't that be the most

3120
02:20:50,210 --> 02:20:47,100
isolated and lonely part of the world

3121
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:50,220
the most perfect place to test

3122
02:20:55,490 --> 02:20:52,399
technology

3123
02:20:58,550 --> 02:20:55,500
and the reason why I bring up the date

3124
02:21:01,429 --> 02:20:58,560
the barbles are George now uh timing is

3125
02:21:04,309 --> 02:21:01,439
is certainly interesting but it's also

3126
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:04,319
after the Belgian wave of those black

3127
02:21:11,570 --> 02:21:08,160
triangles and the sightings now start to

3128
02:21:13,490 --> 02:21:11,580
revert over into Australia and it it

3129
02:21:16,309 --> 02:21:13,500
just makes perfect sense

3130
02:21:18,469 --> 02:21:16,319
well when I did my story on the

3131
02:21:21,230 --> 02:21:18,479
rendlesham story and the black triangle

3132
02:21:23,210 --> 02:21:21,240
uh uaps over Europe and Belgium in

3133
02:21:26,450 --> 02:21:23,220
particular that I I think it went to air

3134
02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:26,460
in 2011. one of the people who contacted

3135
02:21:30,650 --> 02:21:28,560
me was a former member of the Australian

3136
02:21:33,290 --> 02:21:30,660
Air Force who lived on a remote station

3137
02:21:35,750 --> 02:21:33,300
in Western Australia sadly he's since

3138
02:21:38,090 --> 02:21:35,760
passed away but he rang me and he told

3139
02:21:40,790 --> 02:21:38,100
me that he'd seen a black triangular

3140
02:21:43,130 --> 02:21:40,800
object hovering over his farm and he

3141
02:21:45,530 --> 02:21:43,140
said as a former Air Force officer who

3142
02:21:48,290 --> 02:21:45,540
flew planes he knew it wasn't any plane

3143
02:21:49,790 --> 02:21:48,300
and he he'd quietly reported it to the

3144
02:21:51,349 --> 02:21:49,800
Australian Air Force and let them know

3145
02:21:53,750 --> 02:21:51,359
about it and I tried to find any

3146
02:21:55,490 --> 02:21:53,760
reference of his sightings report in any

3147
02:21:58,309 --> 02:21:55,500
of the Australian archives but it's not

3148
02:22:01,130 --> 02:21:58,319
there but it's quite clear to me that

3149
02:22:03,530 --> 02:22:01,140
from the enormous number of phone calls

3150
02:22:06,110 --> 02:22:03,540
messages emails that I've had since I

3151
02:22:08,210 --> 02:22:06,120
did the story uh the documentary that he

3152
02:22:09,889 --> 02:22:08,220
had only a few weeks ago there are

3153
02:22:12,830 --> 02:22:09,899
people in the military people in

3154
02:22:15,530 --> 02:22:12,840
intelligence people in civilian aircraft

3155
02:22:18,170 --> 02:22:15,540
p people who've been on the ground

3156
02:22:20,030 --> 02:22:18,180
Farmers policemen they've contacted me

3157
02:22:22,250 --> 02:22:20,040
and told me that they've seen these

3158
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:22,260
objects and there's a consistency to

3159
02:22:27,469 --> 02:22:24,960
what they describe Annie described to me

3160
02:22:29,710 --> 02:22:27,479
how the triangle that she saw it almost

3161
02:22:32,450 --> 02:22:29,720
like had parts of its end chopped off

3162
02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:32,460
and without me prompting them people

3163
02:22:36,710 --> 02:22:34,080
have actually volunteered that they saw

3164
02:22:38,630 --> 02:22:36,720
the same thing you know one guy was a

3165
02:22:41,210 --> 02:22:38,640
special forces soldier who described

3166
02:22:43,969 --> 02:22:41,220
lying with his Patrol in a sand dune

3167
02:22:46,490 --> 02:22:43,979
late at night and just watching in ore

3168
02:22:48,950 --> 02:22:46,500
is this gigantic black triangle with

3169
02:22:51,170 --> 02:22:48,960
lights running up its spine lights

3170
02:22:53,389 --> 02:22:51,180
placed exactly as Annie had described

3171
02:22:54,190 --> 02:22:53,399
and with the same kind of cut off rear

3172
02:22:57,290 --> 02:22:54,200
end

3173
02:23:00,650 --> 02:22:57,300
it just hovered soundlessly above them

3174
02:23:02,050 --> 02:23:00,660
in the Australian Outback and then as

3175
02:23:04,550 --> 02:23:02,060
they watched

3176
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:04,560
instantaneously just went

3177
02:23:10,570 --> 02:23:08,399
and disappeared movements Maneuvers that

3178
02:23:13,790 --> 02:23:10,580
are utterly impossible do you think that

3179
02:23:16,790 --> 02:23:13,800
uh it's it's a mix

3180
02:23:19,670 --> 02:23:16,800
right it's a mix of uh terrestrial

3181
02:23:23,570 --> 02:23:19,680
technology backwards engineered or

3182
02:23:27,050 --> 02:23:23,580
however we got there and visitations

3183
02:23:29,150 --> 02:23:27,060
from from something else and it's a

3184
02:23:31,849 --> 02:23:29,160
great cover story too as well to cover

3185
02:23:33,650 --> 02:23:31,859
our own technology to say that it's a

3186
02:23:36,590 --> 02:23:33,660
it's a UFO

3187
02:23:38,929 --> 02:23:36,600
well look I I just don't know Jimmy I

3188
02:23:40,969 --> 02:23:38,939
mean the people that I've spoken to who

3189
02:23:43,670 --> 02:23:40,979
had probably one of the most intense UFO

3190
02:23:45,770 --> 02:23:43,680
experiences of all in Australia the West

3191
02:23:48,070 --> 02:23:45,780
all story a lot of those people are

3192
02:23:52,010 --> 02:23:48,080
convinced that what they saw in April of

3193
02:23:53,690 --> 02:23:52,020
1966 was extraterrestrial but I think

3194
02:23:55,429 --> 02:23:53,700
it's just as plausible in my mind

3195
02:23:57,410 --> 02:23:55,439
especially from the way that the

3196
02:23:59,809 --> 02:23:57,420
Australian military reacted on behalf of

3197
02:24:02,090 --> 02:23:59,819
the Americans there was a real attempt

3198
02:24:05,030 --> 02:24:02,100
at a cover-up and there's consistently

3199
02:24:08,270 --> 02:24:05,040
been in Australia attempts to sweep this

3200
02:24:11,210 --> 02:24:08,280
under the carpet when uh objects were

3201
02:24:13,849 --> 02:24:11,220
seen clear craft were seen with Windows

3202
02:24:16,250 --> 02:24:13,859
in them uh flying intelligently and

3203
02:24:19,250 --> 02:24:16,260
engaging with missiles that were being

3204
02:24:21,590 --> 02:24:19,260
launched from the British woomera launch

3205
02:24:23,389 --> 02:24:21,600
site in South Australia in the 1950s

3206
02:24:24,830 --> 02:24:23,399
when the Brits were testing their

3207
02:24:27,050 --> 02:24:24,840
ballistic missiles in the Australian

3208
02:24:29,270 --> 02:24:27,060
Outback or later when there was testing

3209
02:24:30,830 --> 02:24:29,280
of the nuclear missiles themselves or

3210
02:24:34,250 --> 02:24:30,840
the nuclear weapons themselves at

3211
02:24:35,929 --> 02:24:34,260
marilinga there were objects heatedly

3212
02:24:37,670 --> 02:24:35,939
cited and these are recorded in the

3213
02:24:40,190 --> 02:24:37,680
Australian National Archives a bit like

3214
02:24:42,670 --> 02:24:40,200
they are in your American archives seen

3215
02:24:45,530 --> 02:24:42,680
over Los Alamos and other nuclear sites

3216
02:24:48,110 --> 02:24:45,540
like the test range the Trinity test

3217
02:24:49,790 --> 02:24:48,120
site if you look it's quite well

3218
02:24:52,490 --> 02:24:49,800
recorded that there were repeated

3219
02:24:54,889 --> 02:24:52,500
sightings from the 1940s on in the U.S

3220
02:24:56,270 --> 02:24:54,899
Jacques valet and Paula Harris have just

3221
02:24:58,550 --> 02:24:56,280
written an excellent book about the

3222
02:25:00,110 --> 02:24:58,560
Trinity citing and it's quite

3223
02:25:01,750 --> 02:25:00,120
interesting to me because when I started

3224
02:25:03,950 --> 02:25:01,760
looking in Australia

3225
02:25:05,510 --> 02:25:03,960
consistently there's been an official

3226
02:25:08,510 --> 02:25:05,520
attempt to sweep the whole thing under

3227
02:25:10,969 --> 02:25:08,520
the carpet to try and play it down right

3228
02:25:12,770 --> 02:25:10,979
since the second world war there has not

3229
02:25:14,450 --> 02:25:12,780
been an active interest by the

3230
02:25:16,309 --> 02:25:14,460
Australian Air Force or the American Air

3231
02:25:20,030 --> 02:25:16,319
Force in particular to actually engage

3232
02:25:23,030 --> 02:25:20,040
with this subject now one possible

3233
02:25:25,130 --> 02:25:23,040
explanation is to always assume

3234
02:25:27,530 --> 02:25:25,140
incompetence before a conspiracy which

3235
02:25:29,090 --> 02:25:27,540
is my favorite default so let's assume

3236
02:25:30,830 --> 02:25:29,100
that the air forces of both of our

3237
02:25:32,630 --> 02:25:30,840
countries just simply don't like

3238
02:25:35,630 --> 02:25:32,640
admitting that there is a technology

3239
02:25:38,150 --> 02:25:35,640
that is far superior to anything we have

3240
02:25:41,030 --> 02:25:38,160
it can kick the butt of an F-35 or an

3241
02:25:43,670 --> 02:25:41,040
F-22 you know it can basically run rings

3242
02:25:45,170 --> 02:25:43,680
around any fighter in the world

3243
02:25:47,570 --> 02:25:45,180
and it's real

3244
02:25:49,429 --> 02:25:47,580
we know it's real and they've known it's

3245
02:25:51,710 --> 02:25:49,439
real and this is the other deceit that I

3246
02:25:54,469 --> 02:25:51,720
think is implicit in the UAP task force

3247
02:25:56,870 --> 02:25:54,479
report that oh shocks well we've just

3248
02:25:58,730 --> 02:25:56,880
discovered this phenomenon since 2004.

3249
02:26:01,670 --> 02:25:58,740
it suddenly happened at the USS Nimitz

3250
02:26:04,429 --> 02:26:01,680
that's rubbish if you follow the great

3251
02:26:07,010 --> 02:26:04,439
work the works of say Richard Dolan who

3252
02:26:08,330 --> 02:26:07,020
has done the research or Timothy good go

3253
02:26:09,830 --> 02:26:08,340
and have a look at the books that those

3254
02:26:11,630 --> 02:26:09,840
guys have written and have a look at the

3255
02:26:14,630 --> 02:26:11,640
history of what the authorities have

3256
02:26:16,670 --> 02:26:14,640
known since the 1940s

3257
02:26:19,250 --> 02:26:16,680
what they've cited and what they've

3258
02:26:21,110 --> 02:26:19,260
tried to cover up since that time I mean

3259
02:26:23,450 --> 02:26:21,120
one of the things I'm absolutely sure of

3260
02:26:25,550 --> 02:26:23,460
with Roswell I write about Roswell in my

3261
02:26:28,730 --> 02:26:25,560
book and I can't reach a definitive

3262
02:26:31,429 --> 02:26:28,740
conclusion about what Roswell was but

3263
02:26:33,410 --> 02:26:31,439
what I can reach a conclusion about is

3264
02:26:36,230 --> 02:26:33,420
there was a cover-up there's been

3265
02:26:39,050 --> 02:26:36,240
multiple cover-ups the Air Force has

3266
02:26:41,450 --> 02:26:39,060
lied and deceived on at least three or

3267
02:26:43,790 --> 02:26:41,460
four occasions trying to conceal

3268
02:26:45,290 --> 02:26:43,800
whatever it was and I still don't think

3269
02:26:47,929 --> 02:26:45,300
they've told the truth about what

3270
02:26:50,630 --> 02:26:47,939
happened at Roswell similarly without it

3271
02:26:52,849 --> 02:26:50,640
well let me let me say this before we

3272
02:26:55,130 --> 02:26:52,859
get to the break and when we come back I

3273
02:26:56,929 --> 02:26:55,140
want to specifically talk about uh West

3274
02:26:58,670 --> 02:26:56,939
all though

3275
02:27:00,410 --> 02:26:58,680
um so you're staying for overtime you

3276
02:27:02,750 --> 02:27:00,420
don't have a choice and it's a beautiful

3277
02:27:05,690 --> 02:27:02,760
day there what you know what if you what

3278
02:27:07,550 --> 02:27:05,700
else have you got to do but uh I was

3279
02:27:10,130 --> 02:27:07,560
speaking to Richard Dolan earlier today

3280
02:27:12,650 --> 02:27:10,140
and we were talking about this 17-page

3281
02:27:17,270 --> 02:27:12,660
classified section I'm not going to say

3282
02:27:19,610 --> 02:27:17,280
specifically Ross what Richard was

3283
02:27:20,330 --> 02:27:19,620
referring to but he said this he goes

3284
02:27:26,450 --> 02:27:20,340
Jimmy

3285
02:27:30,110 --> 02:27:26,460
I just wrote 30 pages about one year of

3286
02:27:33,050 --> 02:27:30,120
incidents in one specific country and

3287
02:27:35,929 --> 02:27:33,060
we're going to have 17 pages of

3288
02:27:37,309 --> 02:27:35,939
everything since 2004. he's like come on

3289
02:27:39,650 --> 02:27:37,319
man

3290
02:27:42,950 --> 02:27:39,660
I drove 30 pages

3291
02:27:45,230 --> 02:27:42,960
about a little country and and when it

3292
02:27:48,050 --> 02:27:45,240
and he's absolutely right and and

3293
02:27:50,570 --> 02:27:48,060
stating it like that there's tons of

3294
02:27:52,610 --> 02:27:50,580
data out there there's tons of such it's

3295
02:27:55,849 --> 02:27:52,620
going on all the time in front of us

3296
02:27:58,010 --> 02:27:55,859
it's not a 17-page classified section of

3297
02:27:59,929 --> 02:27:58,020
the uaptf

3298
02:28:01,969 --> 02:27:59,939
and there's a great quote Jimmy that I

3299
02:28:05,150 --> 02:28:01,979
like that those who ignore their history

3300
02:28:07,370 --> 02:28:05,160
are condemned to repeat it and My worry

3301
02:28:09,469 --> 02:28:07,380
is that we're going to go through the

3302
02:28:11,990 --> 02:28:09,479
same snow job that we went through with

3303
02:28:14,450 --> 02:28:12,000
project Grudge project sign and then

3304
02:28:17,570 --> 02:28:14,460
eventually Project Blue Book where we're

3305
02:28:19,610 --> 02:28:17,580
all quietly fed complete rubbish by the

3306
02:28:21,410 --> 02:28:19,620
by the Air Force and I think you know

3307
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:21,420
you guys I don't know why people aren't

3308
02:28:25,490 --> 02:28:23,520
rattling the cage with the U.S Air Force

3309
02:28:28,790 --> 02:28:25,500
because it's been at the Forefront of

3310
02:28:31,250 --> 02:28:28,800
lies and deceit and cover-up it has to

3311
02:28:33,590 --> 02:28:31,260
be said that clearly mainstream media

3312
02:28:35,870 --> 02:28:33,600
needs to engage urgently with this

3313
02:28:38,090 --> 02:28:35,880
subject in the US because it's a matter

3314
02:28:40,910 --> 02:28:38,100
of public record that the U.S Air Force

3315
02:28:43,070 --> 02:28:40,920
has presided over a cover-up I mean well

3316
02:28:44,570 --> 02:28:43,080
I mean I I know I'm diverting and you'll

3317
02:28:46,790 --> 02:28:44,580
shout at me for doing this but one of

3318
02:28:48,889 --> 02:28:46,800
the bug bears that I have is the

3319
02:28:51,349 --> 02:28:48,899
incredible revelations in The Pedestrian

3320
02:28:53,389 --> 02:28:51,359
males that were leaked by Wikileaks I

3321
02:28:56,450 --> 02:28:53,399
mean they're just awesome they show

3322
02:28:57,770 --> 02:28:56,460
categorically that that for all his

3323
02:29:01,010 --> 02:28:57,780
faults even though he sounds like a

3324
02:29:03,170 --> 02:29:01,020
crazy Rockstar Tom Delong punk rocker he

3325
02:29:06,050 --> 02:29:03,180
was telling the truth he really was

3326
02:29:07,550 --> 02:29:06,060
engaging with General Neil McCaslin of

3327
02:29:09,590 --> 02:29:07,560
the foreign technology division at

3328
02:29:11,270 --> 02:29:09,600
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base an Air

3329
02:29:13,910 --> 02:29:11,280
Force General For Heaven's Sake General

3330
02:29:16,010 --> 02:29:13,920
Michael Carey of space command it's

3331
02:29:19,610 --> 02:29:16,020
mind-blowing that these guys were

3332
02:29:22,309 --> 02:29:19,620
engaging with what transparently seems

3333
02:29:26,090 --> 02:29:22,319
to have been a clear intention to

3334
02:29:29,330 --> 02:29:26,100
disclose something in anticipation of a

3335
02:29:33,050 --> 02:29:29,340
Hillary Clinton election win in 2016.

3336
02:29:35,690 --> 02:29:33,060
you know we just went through uh two

3337
02:29:39,050 --> 02:29:35,700
hours of conversation and didn't bring

3338
02:29:40,730 --> 02:29:39,060
up Bob Fish and and John podesta and I

3339
02:29:42,950 --> 02:29:40,740
think it's some of the most telling so

3340
02:29:45,110 --> 02:29:42,960
let's we'll we'll do it in a roundabout

3341
02:29:49,190 --> 02:29:45,120
way when we come back off of the break

3342
02:29:53,750 --> 02:29:49,200
but those emails Bob Fish was pushing he

3343
02:29:57,770 --> 02:29:53,760
was screaming at John podesta and uh I I

3344
02:29:59,690 --> 02:29:57,780
I look at it this way maybe John was too

3345
02:30:02,809 --> 02:29:59,700
nervous to reply

3346
02:30:05,870 --> 02:30:02,819
maybe John knew that Bob Fish knew what

3347
02:30:11,030 --> 02:30:05,880
he was talking about and it was fact but

3348
02:30:13,429 --> 02:30:11,040
Bob Fish was definitely in the know and

3349
02:30:15,469 --> 02:30:13,439
he let John podesta know and we're

3350
02:30:17,210 --> 02:30:15,479
talking about the DSP satellites of

3351
02:30:20,150 --> 02:30:17,220
course and and some of the satellite

3352
02:30:23,090 --> 02:30:20,160
tracking that was about deep space

3353
02:30:24,830 --> 02:30:23,100
objects that were coming in to our star

3354
02:30:27,170 --> 02:30:24,840
system

3355
02:30:29,990 --> 02:30:27,180
absolutely I mean Bob Fish told me

3356
02:30:31,610 --> 02:30:30,000
personally when I I read the emails and

3357
02:30:32,929 --> 02:30:31,620
I assumed that somebody in mainstream

3358
02:30:35,750 --> 02:30:32,939
media in America when they were

3359
02:30:36,950 --> 02:30:35,760
published by WikiLeaks I assumed that

3360
02:30:39,530 --> 02:30:36,960
the mainstream media would have

3361
02:30:41,809 --> 02:30:39,540
contacted Bob Fish and to my amazement

3362
02:30:43,670 --> 02:30:41,819
nobody had spoken to this guy who was

3363
02:30:46,309 --> 02:30:43,680
acknowledged in the emails to have

3364
02:30:49,190 --> 02:30:46,319
contacted the chief of staff for the

3365
02:30:51,110 --> 02:30:49,200
President John podesta and he told him

3366
02:30:53,450 --> 02:30:51,120
John while you're the Hillary campaign

3367
02:30:55,730 --> 02:30:53,460
manager you need to focus on what's

3368
02:30:58,010 --> 02:30:55,740
being seen by our satellites I've seen

3369
02:31:00,530 --> 02:30:58,020
the data I've seen that I've seen the

3370
02:31:02,270 --> 02:31:00,540
Telemetry data and what he describes to

3371
02:31:05,389 --> 02:31:02,280
me was that he'd seen an object come

3372
02:31:07,730 --> 02:31:05,399
from deep space behind a satellite a DSP

3373
02:31:10,190 --> 02:31:07,740
satellite that's monitoring the Earth

3374
02:31:12,830 --> 02:31:10,200
the satellite records this object to do

3375
02:31:14,990 --> 02:31:12,840
a course correction slows in velocity

3376
02:31:17,210 --> 02:31:15,000
does a course correction and then goes

3377
02:31:19,550 --> 02:31:17,220
into the atmosphere that is an

3378
02:31:21,889 --> 02:31:19,560
intelligently controlled object coming

3379
02:31:24,830 --> 02:31:21,899
from deep space that could not be

3380
02:31:26,750 --> 02:31:24,840
explained by any known space object

3381
02:31:28,610 --> 02:31:26,760
and there's numerous of those sightings

3382
02:31:30,950 --> 02:31:28,620
I've spoken to people in our defense

3383
02:31:33,710 --> 02:31:30,960
department on the QT who've told me that

3384
02:31:36,889 --> 02:31:33,720
fast Walkers as they are called are

3385
02:31:39,050 --> 02:31:36,899
frequently seen by the new secret space

3386
02:31:41,750 --> 02:31:39,060
telescope that Australia works on with

3387
02:31:43,490 --> 02:31:41,760
the US again on Northwest code can we

3388
02:31:45,590 --> 02:31:43,500
talk about you know what screw the

3389
02:31:48,230 --> 02:31:45,600
commercial break I'm just letting I'm

3390
02:31:49,910 --> 02:31:48,240
telling the network now we're blowing

3391
02:31:52,010 --> 02:31:49,920
through it

3392
02:31:55,309 --> 02:31:52,020
um going back to Holt and the Northwest

3393
02:31:57,889 --> 02:31:55,319
cape in Australia and let's stay on Bob

3394
02:32:00,530 --> 02:31:57,899
Fish for a second too as well but there

3395
02:32:03,050 --> 02:32:00,540
is a new telescope that is built how

3396
02:32:04,370 --> 02:32:03,060
secret is this is it public what do you

3397
02:32:07,130 --> 02:32:04,380
know about it

3398
02:32:09,410 --> 02:32:07,140
look I I it's a new thing called The

3399
02:32:11,809 --> 02:32:09,420
Space Telescope and it ostensibly

3400
02:32:13,790 --> 02:32:11,819
monitors for space objects and space

3401
02:32:16,070 --> 02:32:13,800
debris which is a very laudable thing to

3402
02:32:18,590 --> 02:32:16,080
do you know there are a lot of bad

3403
02:32:20,870 --> 02:32:18,600
objects that any even a single piece of

3404
02:32:23,030 --> 02:32:20,880
foil at high speed in space could

3405
02:32:25,429 --> 02:32:23,040
puncture a spacecraft so it's good that

3406
02:32:27,889 --> 02:32:25,439
we're monitoring for that stuff but I am

3407
02:32:30,950 --> 02:32:27,899
told that the data stream from the Space

3408
02:32:33,050 --> 02:32:30,960
Telescope is being merged with the data

3409
02:32:35,750 --> 02:32:33,060
that's being obtained from Pine gap

3410
02:32:38,389 --> 02:32:35,760
which also uses the DSP satellite feeds

3411
02:32:41,210 --> 02:32:38,399
it's also being merged with another data

3412
02:32:43,190 --> 02:32:41,220
source in Australia called one RSU one

3413
02:32:46,010 --> 02:32:43,200
radar surveillance unit which is better

3414
02:32:48,650 --> 02:32:46,020
known as the jindalee Over the Horizon

3415
02:32:51,710 --> 02:32:48,660
radar Network and this is a type of

3416
02:32:54,610 --> 02:32:51,720
radar called back scatter radar where

3417
02:32:57,469 --> 02:32:54,620
they bounce signals off the ionosphere

3418
02:32:59,270 --> 02:32:57,479
and bounce them back to Earth and the

3419
02:33:01,910 --> 02:32:59,280
Americans have tried the Brits have

3420
02:33:03,710 --> 02:33:01,920
tried it's been very unsuccessful at

3421
02:33:05,929 --> 02:33:03,720
different parts of the world but

3422
02:33:09,230 --> 02:33:05,939
Australia's had some success with it but

3423
02:33:12,110 --> 02:33:09,240
ironically not as a radar more as an

3424
02:33:15,469 --> 02:33:12,120
object for detecting objects in low

3425
02:33:17,929 --> 02:33:15,479
earth orbit because the The Untold that

3426
02:33:20,750 --> 02:33:17,939
jindalee is now being used as a data

3427
02:33:23,150 --> 02:33:20,760
stream feeding back to the US objects

3428
02:33:26,150 --> 02:33:23,160
coming in and out of the atmosphere

3429
02:33:28,010 --> 02:33:26,160
and I'm told that it's been picking up

3430
02:33:30,050 --> 02:33:28,020
fast Walkers and I've heard that from

3431
02:33:32,809 --> 02:33:30,060
people that have worked on those objects

3432
02:33:34,490 --> 02:33:32,819
we've worked on those facilities and

3433
02:33:37,010 --> 02:33:34,500
it's very difficult because of course

3434
02:33:39,410 --> 02:33:37,020
everybody who talks to me about this is

3435
02:33:41,090 --> 02:33:39,420
a defense Personnel they're breaching

3436
02:33:43,010 --> 02:33:41,100
security Oaths to talk to me about it

3437
02:33:44,929 --> 02:33:43,020
and I hasten to add they're not giving

3438
02:33:46,490 --> 02:33:44,939
away National Secrets they're being very

3439
02:33:48,469 --> 02:33:46,500
very careful about what they've told me

3440
02:33:50,929 --> 02:33:48,479
but they're alarmed that our government

3441
02:33:53,450 --> 02:33:50,939
isn't acknowledging that we are party to

3442
02:33:56,210 --> 02:33:53,460
knowledge with the United States of what

3443
02:33:58,070 --> 02:33:56,220
are called Fast Walkers objects that are

3444
02:34:00,710 --> 02:33:58,080
anomalous that are not known space

3445
02:34:04,190 --> 02:34:00,720
objects not objects sent up by any of

3446
02:34:06,530 --> 02:34:04,200
our rivals in space Russia China France

3447
02:34:08,210 --> 02:34:06,540
anything like that they're just objects

3448
02:34:10,250 --> 02:34:08,220
that are appear apparently moving under

3449
02:34:12,650 --> 02:34:10,260
intelligent control that are frequently

3450
02:34:15,190 --> 02:34:12,660
seen coming in and out of orbit and I

3451
02:34:18,889 --> 02:34:15,200
noticed that well and Bob Fish

3452
02:34:20,090 --> 02:34:18,899
says fast walkers in his email to John

3453
02:34:23,090 --> 02:34:20,100
podesta

3454
02:34:24,590 --> 02:34:23,100
yeah and even more Bob's a great guy by

3455
02:34:26,330 --> 02:34:24,600
the way I really recommend somebody get

3456
02:34:28,010 --> 02:34:26,340
onto him in the U.S because he's quite

3457
02:34:29,809 --> 02:34:28,020
happy to talk and he's very frustrated

3458
02:34:32,150 --> 02:34:29,819
frankly that nobody's ever engaged with

3459
02:34:34,070 --> 02:34:32,160
him before and so when I spoke to him he

3460
02:34:36,110 --> 02:34:34,080
was quite delighted to talk to me and I

3461
02:34:38,090 --> 02:34:36,120
wrote a chapter of my book based on what

3462
02:34:39,469 --> 02:34:38,100
he told me and he said to me look send

3463
02:34:41,389 --> 02:34:39,479
it back to me and I'll make sure it's

3464
02:34:43,610 --> 02:34:41,399
accurate and I'd called him the

3465
02:34:44,990 --> 02:34:43,620
enigmatic Bob Fish and he loved that he

3466
02:34:47,150 --> 02:34:45,000
actually responded and said oh the

3467
02:34:49,250 --> 02:34:47,160
enigmatic Bob Fish I quite like that but

3468
02:34:52,670 --> 02:34:49,260
he was enjoying the fact that finally

3469
02:34:54,950 --> 02:34:52,680
after 30 years 40 50 years he was able

3470
02:34:57,770 --> 02:34:54,960
to talk openly about something that he'd

3471
02:35:00,530 --> 02:34:57,780
seen when he was in a secure Aerospace

3472
02:35:02,630 --> 02:35:00,540
Contractor Building in Long Beach in

3473
02:35:05,450 --> 02:35:02,640
California which had the data stream

3474
02:35:07,429 --> 02:35:05,460
coming in from the DSP satellites but

3475
02:35:09,410 --> 02:35:07,439
more importantly than even what he saw

3476
02:35:11,270 --> 02:35:09,420
that object that he saw change course

3477
02:35:14,210 --> 02:35:11,280
and do the course correction and then go

3478
02:35:15,889 --> 02:35:14,220
into orbit he also told me something

3479
02:35:17,929 --> 02:35:15,899
quite phenomenal and I've since

3480
02:35:20,030 --> 02:35:17,939
confirmed this with people in your

3481
02:35:23,150 --> 02:35:20,040
defense department that

3482
02:35:25,730 --> 02:35:23,160
it's now possible for the US to actually

3483
02:35:27,710 --> 02:35:25,740
predict the movements of these objects

3484
02:35:29,870 --> 02:35:27,720
based on their electromagnetic

3485
02:35:32,150 --> 02:35:29,880
signatures that they give off a

3486
02:35:34,450 --> 02:35:32,160
frequency whatever they are it's

3487
02:35:38,809 --> 02:35:34,460
possible to detect their movements

3488
02:35:41,570 --> 02:35:38,819
particularly in and out of the ocean

3489
02:35:43,670 --> 02:35:41,580
and Bob told me that one of the people

3490
02:35:45,650 --> 02:35:43,680
that he met when he was working with

3491
02:35:47,929 --> 02:35:45,660
this contractor in Long Beach in

3492
02:35:50,510 --> 02:35:47,939
California was a guy who flew

3493
02:35:52,370 --> 02:35:50,520
surveillance operations against Cuba to

3494
02:35:55,730 --> 02:35:52,380
monitor the communications of the

3495
02:35:58,190 --> 02:35:55,740
Soviets and the Cubans on on Cuba and

3496
02:36:01,550 --> 02:35:58,200
they were diverted on occasion because

3497
02:36:03,790 --> 02:36:01,560
there were objects seen coming in and

3498
02:36:06,250 --> 02:36:03,800
out of the ocean

3499
02:36:10,610 --> 02:36:06,260
let me jump in Ross

3500
02:36:14,990 --> 02:36:10,620
was this the surveillance planes that

3501
02:36:17,450 --> 02:36:15,000
were uh tricking the Cubans into turning

3502
02:36:19,849 --> 02:36:17,460
on and off the radar right so they're

3503
02:36:22,790 --> 02:36:19,859
out over Bermuda and they're in that

3504
02:36:24,889 --> 02:36:22,800
area playing cat and mouse with the uh

3505
02:36:27,050 --> 02:36:24,899
with the Cuban defense system

3506
02:36:28,730 --> 02:36:27,060
there is no doubt that spoofing has

3507
02:36:30,469 --> 02:36:28,740
occurred and there is no doubt that the

3508
02:36:32,389 --> 02:36:30,479
United States has experimented what's

3509
02:36:35,330 --> 02:36:32,399
with what's called spoofing which is

3510
02:36:37,730 --> 02:36:35,340
where you can make radar clutter appear

3511
02:36:39,530 --> 02:36:37,740
which gives the enemy the impression

3512
02:36:41,929 --> 02:36:39,540
that there is a vast Squadron of

3513
02:36:43,610 --> 02:36:41,939
aircraft coming towards them and the

3514
02:36:46,070 --> 02:36:43,620
cool thing is is that when they do that

3515
02:36:48,590 --> 02:36:46,080
the Cubans of course or the Russians had

3516
02:36:52,190 --> 02:36:48,600
to deploy their aircraft and it gave you

3517
02:36:55,010 --> 02:36:52,200
a very clear idea of what Communications

3518
02:36:56,929 --> 02:36:55,020
light up when they're deploying their

3519
02:36:58,429 --> 02:36:56,939
jet aircraft to come and engage with

3520
02:37:01,130 --> 02:36:58,439
what they believe is a large American

3521
02:37:03,050 --> 02:37:01,140
Invasion and so there's no doubt

3522
02:37:05,150 --> 02:37:03,060
spoofing occurs that's a common strategy

3523
02:37:07,190 --> 02:37:05,160
that every country uses to try and trick

3524
02:37:09,950 --> 02:37:07,200
an enemy into revealing stuff that it

3525
02:37:11,690 --> 02:37:09,960
shouldn't elent electronic listening but

3526
02:37:14,389 --> 02:37:11,700
no this is something different

3527
02:37:16,429 --> 02:37:14,399
maybe it's the same craft involved that

3528
02:37:19,309 --> 02:37:16,439
we're doing that surveillance but I'm

3529
02:37:20,870 --> 02:37:19,319
told by people Bob was one of them on

3530
02:37:22,790 --> 02:37:20,880
the record but there are multiple

3531
02:37:25,670 --> 02:37:22,800
sources off the Record who've told me

3532
02:37:29,150 --> 02:37:25,680
that the United States is now able

3533
02:37:31,370 --> 02:37:29,160
to detect the frequency of these objects

3534
02:37:33,830 --> 02:37:31,380
even as they enter Earth orbit

3535
02:37:36,290 --> 02:37:33,840
and as he told me I said to him what's

3536
02:37:38,330 --> 02:37:36,300
the frequency and he laughed and he said

3537
02:37:40,070 --> 02:37:38,340
he said look Ross I'm still a patriot

3538
02:37:42,050 --> 02:37:40,080
he's still I'm still a loyal American

3539
02:37:44,809 --> 02:37:42,060
and he said imagine if the Soviets or

3540
02:37:47,330 --> 02:37:44,819
the um or the Chinese were able to spoof

3541
02:37:49,429 --> 02:37:47,340
that electromagnetic signature knowing

3542
02:37:52,130 --> 02:37:49,439
that we think it's a UAP

3543
02:37:53,929 --> 02:37:52,140
we'd ignore it we treat it we know we

3544
02:37:56,630 --> 02:37:53,939
wouldn't engage with it like we do say a

3545
02:37:58,849 --> 02:37:56,640
Russian bear bomber or a Chinese bomber

3546
02:38:01,250 --> 02:37:58,859
so he says I ca I'm not going to reveal

3547
02:38:03,590 --> 02:38:01,260
that that would be wrong but he says I

3548
02:38:06,590 --> 02:38:03,600
know they can do it now I find that

3549
02:38:08,090 --> 02:38:06,600
amazing the fact that here we are and

3550
02:38:10,550 --> 02:38:08,100
the American government is pretending

3551
02:38:12,170 --> 02:38:10,560
with its UAP report oh shock horror

3552
02:38:13,370 --> 02:38:12,180
we've discovered an anomalous phenomenon

3553
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:13,380
and now we're going to engage with it

3554
02:38:17,870 --> 02:38:15,840
and take it seriously when I know from

3555
02:38:19,730 --> 02:38:17,880
my own sources they've been monitoring

3556
02:38:22,730 --> 02:38:19,740
this technology predicting its

3557
02:38:25,790 --> 02:38:22,740
electromagnetic signature now for 30 40

3558
02:38:28,190 --> 02:38:25,800
years the level of interdiction and

3559
02:38:29,750 --> 02:38:28,200
monitoring by the US in particular but

3560
02:38:33,110 --> 02:38:29,760
also I suspect by countries like

3561
02:38:35,630 --> 02:38:33,120
Australia the UK France is far higher

3562
02:38:38,090 --> 02:38:35,640
than they care to publicly admit I think

3563
02:38:40,490 --> 02:38:38,100
there is a very active program underway

3564
02:38:43,250 --> 02:38:40,500
to monitor this phenomenon and I think

3565
02:38:45,770 --> 02:38:43,260
that what the UAP task force represents

3566
02:38:48,170 --> 02:38:45,780
is essentially it's a time buying

3567
02:38:51,410 --> 02:38:48,180
exercise it's a fop for the public

3568
02:38:53,210 --> 02:38:51,420
you're being fair did a line and the

3569
02:38:56,750 --> 02:38:53,220
reason why is because people like good

3570
02:38:58,969 --> 02:38:56,760
people like like Senator Harry Reid good

3571
02:39:00,530 --> 02:38:58,979
people like other Senators have

3572
02:39:02,090 --> 02:39:00,540
basically said look enough is enough

3573
02:39:04,309 --> 02:39:02,100
it's time we started telling a little

3574
02:39:06,290 --> 02:39:04,319
bit more about what we know and so I

3575
02:39:08,929 --> 02:39:06,300
think it's imperative for people to keep

3576
02:39:10,610 --> 02:39:08,939
the pressure up either that or the

3577
02:39:14,750 --> 02:39:10,620
government explain why it's still

3578
02:39:16,490 --> 02:39:14,760
keeping it a secret didn't Barb State I

3579
02:39:19,730 --> 02:39:16,500
don't know if it was in the jump at us

3580
02:39:23,929 --> 02:39:19,740
to emails or if it was with you but

3581
02:39:26,929 --> 02:39:23,939
didn't he state that the tracking of the

3582
02:39:31,270 --> 02:39:26,939
EM frequency went to a specific point

3583
02:39:34,730 --> 02:39:31,280
north of Bermuda where these craft were

3584
02:39:35,809 --> 02:39:34,740
were tracked entering and leaving the

3585
02:39:38,389 --> 02:39:35,819
ocean

3586
02:39:40,550 --> 02:39:38,399
uh yes he told me that and he also said

3587
02:39:42,950 --> 02:39:40,560
that in the Wikileaks leaked emails as

3588
02:39:45,110 --> 02:39:42,960
well and you know what Jimmy to me I

3589
02:39:47,389 --> 02:39:45,120
find that a classic example of a

3590
02:39:49,490 --> 02:39:47,399
dereliction of Duty by the media I mean

3591
02:39:52,429 --> 02:39:49,500
that is an on the record I mean okay the

3592
02:39:54,530 --> 02:39:52,439
Russian Gru stole those emails from the

3593
02:39:57,110 --> 02:39:54,540
Democratic National Convention the DNC

3594
02:39:59,270 --> 02:39:57,120
that's appalling it was a crime for them

3595
02:40:01,010 --> 02:39:59,280
to do that and In Absentia Russian

3596
02:40:04,070 --> 02:40:01,020
officials from the gru have been

3597
02:40:06,889 --> 02:40:04,080
prosecuted for it but the reality is

3598
02:40:10,010 --> 02:40:06,899
it's a matter of public record now that

3599
02:40:13,250 --> 02:40:10,020
these emails are genuine podesta hasn't

3600
02:40:16,130 --> 02:40:13,260
denied that he received these emails and

3601
02:40:19,070 --> 02:40:16,140
and I think equally as Bob Fisher's

3602
02:40:21,710 --> 02:40:19,080
Revelations to podesta the significance

3603
02:40:24,590 --> 02:40:21,720
of the fact that we were all treating

3604
02:40:26,690 --> 02:40:24,600
Tom Delong like a raving loony you know

3605
02:40:29,210 --> 02:40:26,700
I freely admit when I heard Tom Delong

3606
02:40:31,370 --> 02:40:29,220
talking on Rojas and coast to coast and

3607
02:40:33,530 --> 02:40:31,380
I think on your show yes you know people

3608
02:40:35,210 --> 02:40:33,540
people were basically contemptuous and

3609
02:40:37,190 --> 02:40:35,220
skeptical they were thinking this guy's

3610
02:40:39,950 --> 02:40:37,200
gone bummy he's gone crazy he's making

3611
02:40:43,070 --> 02:40:39,960
wild claims about government awareness

3612
02:40:46,070 --> 02:40:43,080
of uaps UFO programs re-engineering of

3613
02:40:48,170 --> 02:40:46,080
uap's recovery of alien bodies

3614
02:40:50,090 --> 02:40:48,180
the incredible thing is that one thing

3615
02:40:52,610 --> 02:40:50,100
he said he was doing was that he was

3616
02:40:54,530 --> 02:40:52,620
engaging with very high level Generals

3617
02:40:57,290 --> 02:40:54,540
in the U.S military

3618
02:40:58,550 --> 02:40:57,300
and everybody scoffed I scoffed you know

3619
02:41:01,130 --> 02:40:58,560
I was listening to those shows and

3620
02:41:03,530 --> 02:41:01,140
thinking of bollocks it's rubbish

3621
02:41:05,570 --> 02:41:03,540
and then to my shame

3622
02:41:07,370 --> 02:41:05,580
when The Pedestrian emails are leaked

3623
02:41:09,710 --> 02:41:07,380
and you look at the Wikileaks emails

3624
02:41:11,870 --> 02:41:09,720
there we are they're a Google Hangout

3625
02:41:14,389 --> 02:41:11,880
meetings being organized with General

3626
02:41:16,030 --> 02:41:14,399
Neil McCaslin and Susan McCaslin his

3627
02:41:18,590 --> 02:41:16,040
wife who's clearly being used as a front

3628
02:41:21,590 --> 02:41:18,600
you've got Michael Carey General Michael

3629
02:41:22,910 --> 02:41:21,600
Kerry more importantly to dismiss the

3630
02:41:25,610 --> 02:41:22,920
suggestion that this wasn't some

3631
02:41:28,490 --> 02:41:25,620
official thing there are also meetings

3632
02:41:31,070 --> 02:41:28,500
being organized with serving members of

3633
02:41:33,590 --> 02:41:31,080
space command serving members of the U.S

3634
02:41:35,450 --> 02:41:33,600
Air Force now I'm not in a position I'm

3635
02:41:37,730 --> 02:41:35,460
not a defense security reporter in

3636
02:41:40,250 --> 02:41:37,740
America but I just find it so

3637
02:41:43,190 --> 02:41:40,260
frustrating gobsmackingly frustrating

3638
02:41:45,650 --> 02:41:43,200
that imminent mainstream National

3639
02:41:47,150 --> 02:41:45,660
newspapers like the New York Times The

3640
02:41:49,250 --> 02:41:47,160
Washington Post

3641
02:41:51,950 --> 02:41:49,260
you know why the hell haven't they asked

3642
02:41:54,349 --> 02:41:51,960
questions about those emails why have we

3643
02:41:56,690 --> 02:41:54,359
just quietly meekly giggled and gone oh

3644
02:42:00,349 --> 02:41:56,700
yeah Tom delong's a loony and let it go

3645
02:42:03,410 --> 02:42:00,359
because he's not well when he was when

3646
02:42:04,630 --> 02:42:03,420
he was on the show in 2016 Ross as

3647
02:42:08,210 --> 02:42:04,640
you're aware

3648
02:42:11,450 --> 02:42:08,220
he discussed all of these things and he

3649
02:42:14,150 --> 02:42:11,460
had only done and even since he's only

3650
02:42:16,849 --> 02:42:14,160
done a couple of interviews and and I

3651
02:42:20,150 --> 02:42:16,859
was one of them and that was before the

3652
02:42:22,190 --> 02:42:20,160
Wikileaks dump and so he's going out on

3653
02:42:24,650 --> 02:42:22,200
the show and just you know I'm listening

3654
02:42:27,469 --> 02:42:24,660
and and and and and having a

3655
02:42:30,410 --> 02:42:27,479
conversation with him when the Wikileaks

3656
02:42:32,690 --> 02:42:30,420
emails were dumped and I'm looking at

3657
02:42:34,070 --> 02:42:32,700
them I'm like holy crap okay all right

3658
02:42:37,910 --> 02:42:34,080
now I need to take something a little

3659
02:42:39,950 --> 02:42:37,920
more serious here but what I did see was

3660
02:42:42,889 --> 02:42:39,960
his email address

3661
02:42:45,650 --> 02:42:42,899
in the Wikileaks the same email address

3662
02:42:48,530 --> 02:42:45,660
that I had that I was corresponding with

3663
02:42:52,730 --> 02:42:48,540
him with I immediately shoot him an

3664
02:42:55,610 --> 02:42:52,740
email the email is shut down I picked up

3665
02:42:56,990 --> 02:42:55,620
the phone I called Tom I said dude he

3666
02:43:00,769 --> 02:42:57,000
said yes

3667
02:43:02,929 --> 02:43:00,779
I got his new email but my conversation

3668
02:43:05,330 --> 02:43:02,939
with him was it's this is happening

3669
02:43:08,269 --> 02:43:05,340
because dude I'm freaking out

3670
02:43:11,870 --> 02:43:08,279
and I had to step back and try to

3671
02:43:13,010 --> 02:43:11,880
reassess everything his interview with

3672
02:43:15,830 --> 02:43:13,020
me

3673
02:43:18,530 --> 02:43:15,840
Ross I thought that it was pretty

3674
02:43:19,910 --> 02:43:18,540
balanced I don't think there was a whole

3675
02:43:22,309 --> 02:43:19,920
lot of crazy

3676
02:43:25,490 --> 02:43:22,319
shortly after that when he did The Joe

3677
02:43:27,950 --> 02:43:25,500
Rogan show is when he came unglued right

3678
02:43:29,870 --> 02:43:27,960
that that was there there were some

3679
02:43:32,210 --> 02:43:29,880
parts of that we don't need to get into

3680
02:43:34,849 --> 02:43:32,220
that where

3681
02:43:37,969 --> 02:43:34,859
Tom didn't seem like he was in control

3682
02:43:39,710 --> 02:43:37,979
of his faculties I'll just say that and

3683
02:43:43,130 --> 02:43:39,720
then that was it

3684
02:43:45,469 --> 02:43:43,140
that was it that was Tom's end in in

3685
02:43:47,269 --> 02:43:45,479
public conversation

3686
02:43:49,190 --> 02:43:47,279
but you think about it Jimmy the

3687
02:43:52,190 --> 02:43:49,200
implications of this are enormous

3688
02:43:53,570 --> 02:43:52,200
because it actually explains what ttsa

3689
02:43:55,790 --> 02:43:53,580
was all about

3690
02:43:58,550 --> 02:43:55,800
I don't think it's at all inconceivable

3691
02:44:01,070 --> 02:43:58,560
that General Neil McCaslin Michael Carey

3692
02:44:02,990 --> 02:44:01,080
they were all aware that an organization

3693
02:44:04,969 --> 02:44:03,000
was going to be set up with the

3694
02:44:09,530 --> 02:44:04,979
involvement of people like Chris Mellon

3695
02:44:11,870 --> 02:44:09,540
Louis zondo Steve Justice Jim simivan I

3696
02:44:14,210 --> 02:44:11,880
mean people from the CIA people from

3697
02:44:17,450 --> 02:44:14,220
Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works there was

3698
02:44:20,570 --> 02:44:17,460
a clear concerted group of people who'd

3699
02:44:22,130 --> 02:44:20,580
decided to talk about disclosing

3700
02:44:26,389 --> 02:44:22,140
something

3701
02:44:28,670 --> 02:44:26,399
and the amazing thing to me is the media

3702
02:44:30,889 --> 02:44:28,680
has dropped the ball on this they

3703
02:44:33,349 --> 02:44:30,899
allowed themselves to be led into the

3704
02:44:35,630 --> 02:44:33,359
false notion that everything about Tom

3705
02:44:37,309 --> 02:44:35,640
delong's claims were bunkum and bogus

3706
02:44:40,550 --> 02:44:37,319
because I think of that crazy interview

3707
02:44:43,429 --> 02:44:40,560
on Joe Rogan it also I think it also led

3708
02:44:46,790 --> 02:44:43,439
to the um it led to the discrediting to

3709
02:44:49,250 --> 02:44:46,800
some degree of ttsa's claims and I think

3710
02:44:50,210 --> 02:44:49,260
in the long run everybody's missed the

3711
02:44:53,090 --> 02:44:50,220
point

3712
02:44:56,450 --> 02:44:53,100
clearly there were a group of very high

3713
02:44:58,010 --> 02:44:56,460
level Military Intelligence very very

3714
02:45:01,190 --> 02:44:58,020
well connected people in private

3715
02:45:03,290 --> 02:45:01,200
Aerospace who were working in collusion

3716
02:45:05,450 --> 02:45:03,300
with a very senior member of the

3717
02:45:07,070 --> 02:45:05,460
campaign for Hillary Clinton who

3718
02:45:10,010 --> 02:45:07,080
everybody thought was going to become

3719
02:45:12,590 --> 02:45:10,020
the next president in 2016. and general

3720
02:45:14,330 --> 02:45:12,600
Neil McCaslin in his email in one of

3721
02:45:16,429 --> 02:45:14,340
those emails is actually talking with

3722
02:45:19,130 --> 02:45:16,439
John podesta about what needs to be

3723
02:45:21,650 --> 02:45:19,140
disclosed and how it can be disclosed

3724
02:45:22,910 --> 02:45:21,660
and they're talking about using the um I

3725
02:45:25,309 --> 02:45:22,920
think the national reconnaissance office

3726
02:45:26,990 --> 02:45:25,319
the Department of Defense it was a

3727
02:45:29,210 --> 02:45:27,000
momentous announcement that was going to

3728
02:45:30,590 --> 02:45:29,220
be made by Hillary Clinton and I think

3729
02:45:32,630 --> 02:45:30,600
what happened

3730
02:45:35,389 --> 02:45:32,640
Donald Trump's appointment as president

3731
02:45:37,550 --> 02:45:35,399
put a spanner in the works and now four

3732
02:45:41,690 --> 02:45:37,560
years on Five Years on

3733
02:45:43,969 --> 02:45:41,700
we're now back to that point where

3734
02:45:45,710 --> 02:45:43,979
I think there was a backlash I'm told

3735
02:45:47,990 --> 02:45:45,720
there was a backlash inside the military

3736
02:45:50,090 --> 02:45:48,000
from people who want the still kept

3737
02:45:51,950 --> 02:45:50,100
secret and frankly I don't give a stuff

3738
02:45:53,809 --> 02:45:51,960
if somebody in the media says oh Ross

3739
02:45:56,090 --> 02:45:53,819
you've gone nuts this is crazy this is a

3740
02:45:58,969 --> 02:45:56,100
paranoid conspiracy theory because this

3741
02:46:01,010 --> 02:45:58,979
open source and Source integens this is

3742
02:46:02,929 --> 02:46:01,020
true that there were Generals

3743
02:46:05,269 --> 02:46:02,939
corresponding with a member of a punk

3744
02:46:06,889 --> 02:46:05,279
rock band who was basically discussing

3745
02:46:09,170 --> 02:46:06,899
how he was having conversations with

3746
02:46:12,130 --> 02:46:09,180
generals about disclosing the existence

3747
02:46:14,929 --> 02:46:12,140
of extraterrestrial life it's

3748
02:46:17,990 --> 02:46:14,939
mind-blowing to me that the American

3749
02:46:20,210 --> 02:46:18,000
public have not pushed their media and

3750
02:46:22,550 --> 02:46:20,220
their political representatives for for

3751
02:46:25,670 --> 02:46:22,560
answers to the questions that are posed

3752
02:46:26,929 --> 02:46:25,680
by those emails and you know I actually

3753
02:46:29,690 --> 02:46:26,939
personally don't have a very high

3754
02:46:32,690 --> 02:46:29,700
opinion of Julian Assange but I really

3755
02:46:34,610 --> 02:46:32,700
respect Wikileaks for the fact that it's

3756
02:46:37,150 --> 02:46:34,620
the Forum through which those emails

3757
02:46:40,570 --> 02:46:37,160
were published because to me they are

3758
02:46:43,309 --> 02:46:40,580
unimpeachable intelligence they show

3759
02:46:46,429 --> 02:46:43,319
incontroverty and I've confirmed with my

3760
02:46:48,889 --> 02:46:46,439
own sources privately those emails are

3761
02:46:50,450 --> 02:46:48,899
genuine it happened

3762
02:46:52,730 --> 02:46:50,460
and if you follow through and

3763
02:46:56,389 --> 02:46:52,740
extrapolate the significance of those

3764
02:46:58,429 --> 02:46:56,399
emails the implications are awesome why

3765
02:47:00,050 --> 02:46:58,439
hasn't Hillary Clinton been door stopped

3766
02:47:01,849 --> 02:47:00,060
why hasn't Bill Clinton been door

3767
02:47:04,730 --> 02:47:01,859
stopped about what they were planning to

3768
02:47:08,090 --> 02:47:04,740
do with John podesta why is everybody so

3769
02:47:10,090 --> 02:47:08,100
nice about this why don't we push harder

3770
02:47:13,250 --> 02:47:10,100
and demand to know more questions

3771
02:47:14,990 --> 02:47:13,260
frankly it's our military well it's

3772
02:47:17,090 --> 02:47:15,000
yours actually I'm not I'm not a member

3773
02:47:19,849 --> 02:47:17,100
of America but you know you in the US

3774
02:47:21,950 --> 02:47:19,859
you own your military it's answerable to

3775
02:47:24,170 --> 02:47:21,960
you it's not answerable to some gray

3776
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:24,180
General in the Pentagon you are

3777
02:47:28,490 --> 02:47:26,640
ultimately the people who control your

3778
02:47:30,769 --> 02:47:28,500
government and you should be asking

3779
02:47:33,230 --> 02:47:30,779
questions about this because it's it's

3780
02:47:35,389 --> 02:47:33,240
truly momentous to me that there is this

3781
02:47:37,070 --> 02:47:35,399
awesome secret that is and I know it's

3782
02:47:39,469 --> 02:47:37,080
there because I've spoken to people

3783
02:47:41,750 --> 02:47:39,479
who've admitted it to me people talk to

3784
02:47:44,570 --> 02:47:41,760
me openly privately about the the

3785
02:47:46,849 --> 02:47:44,580
program they're talking to me privately

3786
02:47:48,769 --> 02:47:46,859
about what is known inside the U.S

3787
02:47:51,050 --> 02:47:48,779
defense and intelligence establishment

3788
02:47:53,450 --> 02:47:51,060
it and a lot of it I haven't spoken

3789
02:47:55,130 --> 02:47:53,460
about publicly and it's awesome it's

3790
02:47:58,370 --> 02:47:55,140
absolutely awesome

3791
02:48:03,110 --> 02:47:58,380
that this exists well what about the

3792
02:48:06,110 --> 02:48:03,120
were you surprised that uh ttsa

3793
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:06,120
ultimately was derailed

3794
02:48:10,610 --> 02:48:08,640
um that here we are four years on it

3795
02:48:13,910 --> 02:48:10,620
doesn't it's it's no longer important

3796
02:48:17,330 --> 02:48:13,920
John podesta is now a pedophile right

3797
02:48:20,630 --> 02:48:17,340
his his public Persona has been attacked

3798
02:48:23,870 --> 02:48:20,640
and his credibility and it was all

3799
02:48:26,929 --> 02:48:23,880
Central around the UFO issue and this

3800
02:48:28,670 --> 02:48:26,939
message was there but it came completely

3801
02:48:30,110 --> 02:48:28,680
apart

3802
02:48:31,429 --> 02:48:30,120
I'm not sure what you're referring to

3803
02:48:32,690 --> 02:48:31,439
with John podesta because my

3804
02:48:34,550 --> 02:48:32,700
understanding is he's still quite

3805
02:48:36,290 --> 02:48:34,560
heavily involved behind the scenes in

3806
02:48:37,070 --> 02:48:36,300
there I'm talking about pizza gate I'm

3807
02:48:41,090 --> 02:48:37,080
talking about

3808
02:48:43,730 --> 02:48:41,100
Gabe and pedophilia but but my point

3809
02:48:46,130 --> 02:48:43,740
being that's what you do is you attack

3810
02:48:49,130 --> 02:48:46,140
somebody's credibility

3811
02:48:51,830 --> 02:48:49,140
um and and he has been you know taken

3812
02:48:53,389 --> 02:48:51,840
off of the table he he is not I don't

3813
02:48:55,670 --> 02:48:53,399
think he's spoken publicly about

3814
02:48:58,429 --> 02:48:55,680
anything since then

3815
02:49:00,170 --> 02:48:58,439
yeah look he has he has made uh he's

3816
02:49:01,610 --> 02:49:00,180
done I think one interview I tried

3817
02:49:04,010 --> 02:49:01,620
desperately to get him when I was in the

3818
02:49:05,570 --> 02:49:04,020
States but he didn't want to talk but I

3819
02:49:08,690 --> 02:49:05,580
think he's done one interview I think he

3820
02:49:11,090 --> 02:49:08,700
spoke to Leslie Kane but um yeah I mean

3821
02:49:15,170 --> 02:49:11,100
I I look I I think that there's a great

3822
02:49:18,230 --> 02:49:15,180
story there to be uncovered and dug and

3823
02:49:20,690 --> 02:49:18,240
I don't have the the weight the gravitas

3824
02:49:23,450 --> 02:49:20,700
that did a national paper in the the

3825
02:49:27,349 --> 02:49:23,460
United States has to push don't sell

3826
02:49:29,750 --> 02:49:27,359
yourself short Ross but but no but but I

3827
02:49:31,730 --> 02:49:29,760
I want to see people asking questions at

3828
02:49:33,769 --> 02:49:31,740
the White House briefing and when the

3829
02:49:35,630 --> 02:49:33,779
when the spokesperson does that nervous

3830
02:49:37,670 --> 02:49:35,640
little titter that nervous little smirk

3831
02:49:40,130 --> 02:49:37,680
that they always do whenever a UFO story

3832
02:49:42,469 --> 02:49:40,140
gets asked I want the person then to say

3833
02:49:44,150 --> 02:49:42,479
why are you smoking this is serious do

3834
02:49:45,230 --> 02:49:44,160
you know your own Pentagon has admitted

3835
02:49:48,230 --> 02:49:45,240
this is real

3836
02:49:49,910 --> 02:49:48,240
you know For Heaven's Sake wake up if

3837
02:49:51,469 --> 02:49:49,920
the if the spokesperson for the

3838
02:49:53,690 --> 02:49:51,479
president smirks when they're asked a

3839
02:49:55,250 --> 02:49:53,700
question about uaps then people should

3840
02:49:57,889 --> 02:49:55,260
challenge them on it and call them out

3841
02:50:01,309 --> 02:49:57,899
on it because the Pentagon has admitted

3842
02:50:04,070 --> 02:50:01,319
this phenomenon is real there's no going

3843
02:50:05,510 --> 02:50:04,080
back from that and we can't let them go

3844
02:50:08,809 --> 02:50:05,520
back from that because what happened

3845
02:50:10,490 --> 02:50:08,819
with Project Blue Book was and I again I

3846
02:50:12,349 --> 02:50:10,500
say don't forget our history will be

3847
02:50:15,230 --> 02:50:12,359
condemned to repeat it what happened

3848
02:50:17,330 --> 02:50:15,240
with Project Blue Book was you know the

3849
02:50:19,490 --> 02:50:17,340
public was led to believe that there was

3850
02:50:21,650 --> 02:50:19,500
a genuine investigation going on that

3851
02:50:23,570 --> 02:50:21,660
there really were efforts being made to

3852
02:50:26,210 --> 02:50:23,580
get to the bottom of the UFO phenomenon

3853
02:50:28,190 --> 02:50:26,220
and frankly it was a lie it was a deceit

3854
02:50:30,650 --> 02:50:28,200
on the American public just to buy time

3855
02:50:33,110 --> 02:50:30,660
and my suspicion my fear and I'm not

3856
02:50:35,030 --> 02:50:33,120
suggesting that melon or Elizondo a

3857
02:50:36,590 --> 02:50:35,040
party to this but my fear is that the

3858
02:50:39,889 --> 02:50:36,600
government's trying to do the same thing

3859
02:50:41,809 --> 02:50:39,899
with the UAP task force report I know

3860
02:50:44,090 --> 02:50:41,819
they neutered the report by removing

3861
02:50:46,490 --> 02:50:44,100
somebody who was friendly to the idea of

3862
02:50:48,889 --> 02:50:46,500
investigating UAP is they got rid of the

3863
02:50:50,330 --> 02:50:48,899
man that I know Elizondo and melon were

3864
02:50:52,730 --> 02:50:50,340
most comfortable with doing the

3865
02:50:54,650 --> 02:50:52,740
investigation and more importantly the

3866
02:50:56,269 --> 02:50:54,660
person that took over the job Small

3867
02:50:58,070 --> 02:50:56,279
Wonder he's written such a short report

3868
02:51:00,349 --> 02:50:58,080
because he wasn't allowed to do it full

3869
02:51:03,349 --> 02:51:00,359
time he had to do all his other jobs in

3870
02:51:06,110 --> 02:51:03,359
um odni as well he resisting his analyst

3871
02:51:09,230 --> 02:51:06,120
too as well and to be promoted to

3872
02:51:11,389 --> 02:51:09,240
director I think it was uh how do I say

3873
02:51:14,870 --> 02:51:11,399
I'm not saying he can't handle the gig

3874
02:51:16,490 --> 02:51:14,880
but it was a pretty dramatic promotion

3875
02:51:18,290 --> 02:51:16,500
I mean the best way of neutering

3876
02:51:20,389 --> 02:51:18,300
something like this is to under-resource

3877
02:51:22,370 --> 02:51:20,399
it and yeah and frankly I I think

3878
02:51:25,130 --> 02:51:22,380
sometimes people out there listening to

3879
02:51:27,710 --> 02:51:25,140
this underestimate their own power I am

3880
02:51:31,010 --> 02:51:27,720
awestruck by the power of social media

3881
02:51:33,650 --> 02:51:31,020
as a weapon in forcing politicians to be

3882
02:51:36,349 --> 02:51:33,660
accountable people don't realize that

3883
02:51:39,469 --> 02:51:36,359
social media is now vastly more powerful

3884
02:51:41,210 --> 02:51:39,479
than imminent mainstream major

3885
02:51:43,450 --> 02:51:41,220
newspapers shows like yours Jimmy

3886
02:51:46,910 --> 02:51:43,460
frankly you know it's it really is

3887
02:51:48,650 --> 02:51:46,920
newspapers have lost the boat you know

3888
02:51:50,269 --> 02:51:48,660
mainstream television networks Free To

3889
02:51:53,210 --> 02:51:50,279
Wear television networks Their audience

3890
02:51:55,910 --> 02:51:53,220
is declining as every year goes by the

3891
02:51:58,910 --> 02:51:55,920
real power now resides in social media

3892
02:52:00,950 --> 02:51:58,920
but what it hasn't discovered yet is how

3893
02:52:02,630 --> 02:52:00,960
to utilize that power and how to force

3894
02:52:05,870 --> 02:52:02,640
our political representatives to be more

3895
02:52:08,090 --> 02:52:05,880
uh transparent and accountable and and I

3896
02:52:11,150 --> 02:52:08,100
think one of the success stories has

3897
02:52:13,370 --> 02:52:11,160
been the power of UFO Twitter where

3898
02:52:15,170 --> 02:52:13,380
despite the giggles and the snide

3899
02:52:16,429 --> 02:52:15,180
comments from mainstream media year

3900
02:52:18,769 --> 02:52:16,439
which frankly is going to look

3901
02:52:20,330 --> 02:52:18,779
ridiculous out of this at the end of all

3902
02:52:22,309 --> 02:52:20,340
of this mainstream media will look

3903
02:52:24,710 --> 02:52:22,319
ridiculous because it will it will be

3904
02:52:26,330 --> 02:52:24,720
shown to have completely abrogated its

3905
02:52:29,330 --> 02:52:26,340
responsibility to have dropped the ball

3906
02:52:31,610 --> 02:52:29,340
with a few notable exceptions the the

3907
02:52:34,429 --> 02:52:31,620
real push on this has come from social

3908
02:52:36,290 --> 02:52:34,439
media and that's you know shows like

3909
02:52:37,790 --> 02:52:36,300
yours it's it's people like John

3910
02:52:39,769 --> 02:52:37,800
Greenwell with The Black Vault it's

3911
02:52:41,570 --> 02:52:39,779
people pushing on their Twitter feeds

3912
02:52:44,030 --> 02:52:41,580
saying why the hell can't we know this

3913
02:52:45,469 --> 02:52:44,040
stuff you know what people should say to

3914
02:52:48,830 --> 02:52:45,479
their political Representatives the

3915
02:52:50,630 --> 02:52:48,840
power of writing a letter to say you're

3916
02:52:52,309 --> 02:52:50,640
in what do you call them over there your

3917
02:52:55,429 --> 02:52:52,319
Congressman or your Senator and saying

3918
02:52:57,410 --> 02:52:55,439
dear Senator I I represent 400 people

3919
02:53:00,670 --> 02:52:57,420
who are part of a group that is

3920
02:53:02,929 --> 02:53:00,680
interested in uaps why can we not know

3921
02:53:05,389 --> 02:53:02,939
what an Earth was going on in the

3922
02:53:07,670 --> 02:53:05,399
Democrat the DNC emails you know what's

3923
02:53:10,250 --> 02:53:07,680
the truth of the story you know why were

3924
02:53:12,469 --> 02:53:10,260
Generals meeting with John podesta and

3925
02:53:14,450 --> 02:53:12,479
Tom Delong and discuss discussing

3926
02:53:17,690 --> 02:53:14,460
disclosure you know at the Pentagon

3927
02:53:19,610 --> 02:53:17,700
briefing why was it that when uaps were

3928
02:53:21,730 --> 02:53:19,620
raised with the imminent task force

3929
02:53:24,950 --> 02:53:21,740
report about to come out a few weeks ago

3930
02:53:27,230 --> 02:53:24,960
I remember there was a video of a

3931
02:53:29,570 --> 02:53:27,240
pentagon briefing where one reporter

3932
02:53:31,550 --> 02:53:29,580
very bravely asked the question

3933
02:53:33,110 --> 02:53:31,560
um you know what about this UAP task

3934
02:53:34,670 --> 02:53:33,120
force report and there was this kind of

3935
02:53:35,990 --> 02:53:34,680
giggle that went around the room you

3936
02:53:37,190 --> 02:53:36,000
know it was it was acknowledged

3937
02:53:38,570 --> 02:53:37,200
immediately it's going to be a

3938
02:53:41,090 --> 02:53:38,580
light-hearted response and it was

3939
02:53:42,349 --> 02:53:41,100
inviting the person up on the desk up on

3940
02:53:44,990 --> 02:53:42,359
the panel to give a lighthearted

3941
02:53:47,570 --> 02:53:45,000
response why the hell do we do that why

3942
02:53:49,969 --> 02:53:47,580
do we let people do that we've gone

3943
02:53:52,309 --> 02:53:49,979
beyond that point now and and My worry

3944
02:53:54,349 --> 02:53:52,319
is that we're in danger of letting

3945
02:53:57,650 --> 02:53:54,359
ourselves be manipulated because the

3946
02:54:00,349 --> 02:53:57,660
media is still largely code on this

3947
02:54:02,330 --> 02:54:00,359
subject it's still frankly people don't

3948
02:54:04,849 --> 02:54:02,340
realize that defense and intelligence

3949
02:54:06,590 --> 02:54:04,859
writers for major newspapers they're on

3950
02:54:08,690 --> 02:54:06,600
a drip feed they're on a drip feed from

3951
02:54:11,389 --> 02:54:08,700
their favorite sources in the CIA the

3952
02:54:12,769 --> 02:54:11,399
NSA the DIA right you know you don't get

3953
02:54:14,870 --> 02:54:12,779
it you don't get embedded with the

3954
02:54:17,630 --> 02:54:14,880
defense department if you rock the boat

3955
02:54:19,849 --> 02:54:17,640
if if you ask the wrong questions if you

3956
02:54:21,349 --> 02:54:19,859
push on the wrong issues you know the

3957
02:54:23,809 --> 02:54:21,359
defect the Pentagon will take you off

3958
02:54:27,110 --> 02:54:23,819
the Christmas card list if you if you

3959
02:54:29,090 --> 02:54:27,120
don't toe the line and one of the taboos

3960
02:54:32,150 --> 02:54:29,100
one of the stigmatized areas that is a

3961
02:54:35,269 --> 02:54:32,160
no-go is UFOs uaps

3962
02:54:38,269 --> 02:54:35,279
why why the hell have we allowed that to

3963
02:54:41,510 --> 02:54:38,279
happen the change has occurred in the

3964
02:54:44,870 --> 02:54:41,520
last year all credit to the brave people

3965
02:54:47,170 --> 02:54:44,880
including Tom Delong yourself UFO

3966
02:54:50,030 --> 02:54:47,180
Twitter but also the New York Times

3967
02:54:51,950 --> 02:54:50,040
people on Politico Brian Bender the

3968
02:54:54,050 --> 02:54:51,960
debrief

3969
02:54:55,849 --> 02:54:54,060
um you know all of these wonderful sites

3970
02:54:58,910 --> 02:54:55,859
that are being created that are now

3971
02:55:00,469 --> 02:54:58,920
asking questions and probing and pushing

3972
02:55:03,410 --> 02:55:00,479
for answers

3973
02:55:05,389 --> 02:55:03,420
it's getting a momentum and it's so

3974
02:55:07,849 --> 02:55:05,399
important that it continue because can

3975
02:55:09,769 --> 02:55:07,859
you watch your foot off the gas not not

3976
02:55:11,389 --> 02:55:09,779
absolutely we can't and there's a

3977
02:55:13,630 --> 02:55:11,399
there's another point I'm looking at the

3978
02:55:19,849 --> 02:55:13,640
clock we've got three minutes

3979
02:55:21,950 --> 02:55:19,859
there I I don't want the uaptf uh both

3980
02:55:23,570 --> 02:55:21,960
classified and unclassified

3981
02:55:26,690 --> 02:55:23,580
to placate

3982
02:55:28,370 --> 02:55:26,700
right that it's there was nothing there

3983
02:55:31,190 --> 02:55:28,380
and people are going to lose their

3984
02:55:33,650 --> 02:55:31,200
interest in this 60-second news cycle

3985
02:55:35,389 --> 02:55:33,660
that we have in the world and and you're

3986
02:55:37,730 --> 02:55:35,399
gonna go and

3987
02:55:41,870 --> 02:55:37,740
check out the Kardashians again right

3988
02:55:44,210 --> 02:55:41,880
and and get off of the prize and that's

3989
02:55:46,010 --> 02:55:44,220
what I I don't want the foot let off the

3990
02:55:47,809 --> 02:55:46,020
gas Ross

3991
02:55:49,250 --> 02:55:47,819
I look I agree with you and in fact it's

3992
02:55:51,170 --> 02:55:49,260
it's really interesting to me because

3993
02:55:52,730 --> 02:55:51,180
you know I'm a serious insect journalist

3994
02:55:54,469 --> 02:55:52,740
in Australia and I've got many friends

3995
02:55:56,210 --> 02:55:54,479
who respect my journalism and they've

3996
02:55:58,090 --> 02:55:56,220
heard that I'm writing a book about UFOs

3997
02:56:00,110 --> 02:55:58,100
and there's always this kind of nervous

3998
02:56:01,790 --> 02:56:00,120
conversation where they come up to me

3999
02:56:04,550 --> 02:56:01,800
and they say are you really writing a

4000
02:56:06,830 --> 02:56:04,560
book about UFOs and I go yeah yeah and

4001
02:56:07,969 --> 02:56:06,840
then I explained to them why and it's

4002
02:56:10,130 --> 02:56:07,979
interesting because so many of them

4003
02:56:11,929 --> 02:56:10,140
haven't applied themselves like I have

4004
02:56:14,030 --> 02:56:11,939
like you have to actually looking at the

4005
02:56:16,010 --> 02:56:14,040
history looking at what's been published

4006
02:56:19,250 --> 02:56:16,020
looking at what's on the public record

4007
02:56:21,290 --> 02:56:19,260
admitted by the Pentagon admitted by the

4008
02:56:23,389 --> 02:56:21,300
French by the British

4009
02:56:25,190 --> 02:56:23,399
by the Australian archives

4010
02:56:28,309 --> 02:56:25,200
and then when I explain it to them they

4011
02:56:29,990 --> 02:56:28,319
go wow I I didn't know that and so

4012
02:56:31,790 --> 02:56:30,000
that's what my book's all about my

4013
02:56:34,550 --> 02:56:31,800
book's all about making people start

4014
02:56:36,290 --> 02:56:34,560
from basic knowledge here's the history

4015
02:56:38,570 --> 02:56:36,300
so a large part of it is just taking

4016
02:56:40,550 --> 02:56:38,580
people through the history I didn't know

4017
02:56:44,170 --> 02:56:40,560
until I went through the cia's library

4018
02:56:47,090 --> 02:56:44,180
that there are numerous files

4019
02:56:49,670 --> 02:56:47,100
telegrams cables where quite clearly

4020
02:56:52,570 --> 02:56:49,680
there was an operation called Moon dust

4021
02:56:54,830 --> 02:56:52,580
that was going around retrieving quote

4022
02:56:57,170 --> 02:56:54,840
flying sources

4023
02:56:59,690 --> 02:56:57,180
now what the hell were these things some

4024
02:57:02,450 --> 02:56:59,700
of them one of them one of them was one

4025
02:57:04,910 --> 02:57:02,460
of them was 15 meters wide an intact

4026
02:57:06,050 --> 02:57:04,920
craft 15 meters wide that's not a

4027
02:57:07,910 --> 02:57:06,060
satellite

4028
02:57:10,130 --> 02:57:07,920
you know it's and clearly there's a

4029
02:57:13,610 --> 02:57:10,140
delineation between satellites and space

4030
02:57:15,590 --> 02:57:13,620
objects and flying sources so what the

4031
02:57:18,230 --> 02:57:15,600
hell were these things and we've never

4032
02:57:20,870 --> 02:57:18,240
had an explanation and what gobsmacked

4033
02:57:22,429 --> 02:57:20,880
me what absolutely just amazes me and

4034
02:57:23,870 --> 02:57:22,439
I've asked these questions and I've put

4035
02:57:27,050 --> 02:57:23,880
these questions to your respective

4036
02:57:29,630 --> 02:57:27,060
agencies and not had a response is this

4037
02:57:31,490 --> 02:57:29,640
this deafening silence and I think they

4038
02:57:32,870 --> 02:57:31,500
think they can get away with it I really

4039
02:57:34,370 --> 02:57:32,880
think they think they can get away with

4040
02:57:37,190 --> 02:57:34,380
it and they can pull another Project

4041
02:57:39,170 --> 02:57:37,200
Blue Book snow job and maybe in 30 or 40

4042
02:57:41,750 --> 02:57:39,180
years time there'll be another Jay Alan

4043
02:57:43,370 --> 02:57:41,760
heineck who's going I wish snowed I was

4044
02:57:45,110 --> 02:57:43,380
snowed you guys didn't listen you know

4045
02:57:47,330 --> 02:57:45,120
and uh and you know maybe it'll be

4046
02:57:49,190 --> 02:57:47,340
louisando maybe Lou Elizondo will be a

4047
02:57:51,170 --> 02:57:49,200
grandfatherly j Allen heinek character

4048
02:57:53,150 --> 02:57:51,180
and he'll be saying hey guys I really

4049
02:57:54,650 --> 02:57:53,160
tried but you guys didn't push hard

4050
02:57:56,870 --> 02:57:54,660
enough you know and Chris melon might be

4051
02:57:59,090 --> 02:57:56,880
saying the same you know and I I think

4052
02:58:01,070 --> 02:57:59,100
the the thing that I'll be honest with

4053
02:58:03,950 --> 02:58:01,080
you that's that's shocked me slightly is

4054
02:58:05,750 --> 02:58:03,960
the way that people have picked Lou up

4055
02:58:07,790 --> 02:58:05,760
on whether or not he was the director of

4056
02:58:10,429 --> 02:58:07,800
ATIV or not and I think it's important

4057
02:58:12,170 --> 02:58:10,439
to be precise on details but now that we

4058
02:58:14,690 --> 02:58:12,180
know definitively from Harry Reid that

4059
02:58:16,910 --> 02:58:14,700
that is the case let's move on let's

4060
02:58:19,010 --> 02:58:16,920
start asking harder questions tougher

4061
02:58:20,929 --> 02:58:19,020
questions let's get these officials

4062
02:58:23,330 --> 02:58:20,939
asked the hard questions at Pentagon

4063
02:58:25,670 --> 02:58:23,340
briefings let's door stop Hillary

4064
02:58:27,710 --> 02:58:25,680
Clinton and say hey Hillary what were

4065
02:58:29,750 --> 02:58:27,720
your what was your campaign advisor John

4066
02:58:31,969 --> 02:58:29,760
podesta talking about when he was being

4067
02:58:34,790 --> 02:58:31,979
when he was having meetings with General

4068
02:58:36,290 --> 02:58:34,800
Neil McCaslin for that matter I drove

4069
02:58:37,790 --> 02:58:36,300
past Neil mccaslin's house in

4070
02:58:39,830 --> 02:58:37,800
Albuquerque because I'd written him a

4071
02:58:42,050 --> 02:58:39,840
letter uh two years ago he never

4072
02:58:44,570 --> 02:58:42,060
responded but when I was in Albuquerque

4073
02:58:46,010 --> 02:58:44,580
recently I thought about going up and

4074
02:58:47,990 --> 02:58:46,020
knocking on his door

4075
02:58:49,790 --> 02:58:48,000
and I thought no I might get arrested

4076
02:58:51,830 --> 02:58:49,800
you know I'm harassing a two-star

4077
02:58:54,889 --> 02:58:51,840
pentagon retired general you know it

4078
02:58:56,750 --> 02:58:54,899
might get me into trouble but why isn't

4079
02:58:58,610 --> 02:58:56,760
he doorstopped when he speaks at some

4080
02:59:01,250 --> 02:58:58,620
convention you know why haven't people

4081
02:59:03,769 --> 02:59:01,260
stood up and said general what the hell

4082
02:59:05,929 --> 02:59:03,779
were you talking to Tom Delong about why

4083
02:59:08,210 --> 02:59:05,939
were you talking about disclosure what

4084
02:59:10,070 --> 02:59:08,220
was it you were going to disclose and

4085
02:59:12,590 --> 02:59:10,080
when Tom de long was going to space

4086
02:59:14,110 --> 02:59:12,600
command or to the U.S Air Force why the

4087
02:59:16,790 --> 02:59:14,120
hell didn't people

4088
02:59:18,469 --> 02:59:16,800
foi the records to show who he was

4089
02:59:21,410 --> 02:59:18,479
meeting with who were those senior

4090
02:59:23,809 --> 02:59:21,420
officers in the Air Force why were they

4091
02:59:26,870 --> 02:59:23,819
telling him things about ongoing

4092
02:59:28,730 --> 02:59:26,880
programs investigating uaps recovered

4093
02:59:31,370 --> 02:59:28,740
craft and why doesn't the American

4094
02:59:34,010 --> 02:59:31,380
public know about that and why is there

4095
02:59:37,670 --> 02:59:34,020
this cognitive dissonance between what

4096
02:59:41,389 --> 02:59:37,680
I'm told by people on and off the Record

4097
02:59:43,309 --> 02:59:41,399
like Louis zondo Chris Mellon like my

4098
02:59:45,290 --> 02:59:43,319
friend Matt kobitz the former U.S Navy

4099
02:59:47,929 --> 02:59:45,300
director of r d

4100
02:59:51,110 --> 02:59:47,939
like Bob Fish when you have these people

4101
02:59:53,030 --> 02:59:51,120
who've been courageous in doing what

4102
02:59:55,790 --> 02:59:53,040
they can do within the constraints of

4103
02:59:58,730 --> 02:59:55,800
their security oath to say hey America

4104
03:00:00,110 --> 02:59:58,740
listen there's a big story here now what

4105
03:00:01,849 --> 03:00:00,120
have you got to do take your clothes off

4106
03:00:05,150 --> 03:00:01,859
and wave a flag standing in front of the

4107
03:00:07,370 --> 03:00:05,160
Congress it it it's pla it's plainly

4108
03:00:10,550 --> 03:00:07,380
obvious to me that there are good people

4109
03:00:13,070 --> 03:00:10,560
who are trying to say Hey listen

4110
03:00:15,410 --> 03:00:13,080
there is something going on that needs

4111
03:00:18,230 --> 03:00:15,420
investigation it needs public scrutiny

4112
03:00:21,110 --> 03:00:18,240
it desperately needs Congressional open

4113
03:00:23,389 --> 03:00:21,120
Congressional hearings why the hell has

4114
03:00:25,969 --> 03:00:23,399
the American public allowed themselves

4115
03:00:28,070 --> 03:00:25,979
to think that they are powerless that

4116
03:00:29,990 --> 03:00:28,080
they can't do anything about it if

4117
03:00:32,389 --> 03:00:30,000
everybody listening to this show now

4118
03:00:34,790 --> 03:00:32,399
Jimmy wrote a letter to their

4119
03:00:38,090 --> 03:00:34,800
congressional representative and said I

4120
03:00:40,670 --> 03:00:38,100
want hearings public hearings into what

4121
03:00:43,250 --> 03:00:40,680
the hell's going on with uaps I want

4122
03:00:45,290 --> 03:00:43,260
General Neil mckesslin deposed I want

4123
03:00:47,510 --> 03:00:45,300
General Michael Carey deposed I want

4124
03:00:50,090 --> 03:00:47,520
John podesta deposed Hillary Clinton

4125
03:00:51,710 --> 03:00:50,100
deposed I want every General on the

4126
03:00:53,809 --> 03:00:51,720
special access program oversight

4127
03:00:56,389 --> 03:00:53,819
committee deposed I want to know what

4128
03:00:57,830 --> 03:00:56,399
the hell is going on I'll wager if

4129
03:00:59,510 --> 03:00:57,840
everybody wrote that letter to the

4130
03:01:02,750 --> 03:00:59,520
congressional representative right now

4131
03:01:06,170 --> 03:01:02,760
and asked and demanded that they'd get

4132
03:01:08,870 --> 03:01:06,180
it that's a mic drop now Ross what I

4133
03:01:11,870 --> 03:01:08,880
want you to do rip off your headphones

4134
03:01:15,170 --> 03:01:11,880
and go run into the ocean right behind

4135
03:01:17,389 --> 03:01:15,180
you you have a great day thank you so

4136
03:01:20,330 --> 03:01:17,399
much my friend what a great conversation

4137
03:01:22,130 --> 03:01:20,340
and I look forward to having you on the

4138
03:01:24,530 --> 03:01:22,140
show again we left everything on the

4139
03:01:26,150 --> 03:01:24,540
table great conversation tonight but

4140
03:01:29,210 --> 03:01:26,160
there's so much left

4141
03:01:32,030 --> 03:01:29,220
thank you Ross a real pleasure Jimmy and

4142
03:01:34,790 --> 03:01:32,040
I hope people can find my my book in

4143
03:01:36,769 --> 03:01:34,800
plain sight on bookshops shelves around

4144
03:01:38,389 --> 03:01:36,779
the world they're starting to appear

4145
03:01:40,550 --> 03:01:38,399
from Late July but I think it's going to

4146
03:01:42,349 --> 03:01:40,560
be on sale in plain sight an

4147
03:01:44,809 --> 03:01:42,359
investigation into impossible science

4148
03:01:48,230 --> 03:01:44,819
and that's uh probably in America from

4149
03:01:49,750 --> 03:01:48,240
mid-august and all of the links for Ross

4150
03:01:52,670 --> 03:01:49,760
and his books are over at

4151
03:01:54,590 --> 03:01:52,680
jimmychurchradio.com Ross enjoy the rest

4152
03:01:56,450 --> 03:01:54,600
of your night and day over there in

4153
03:01:58,429 --> 03:01:56,460
Australia thank you so much

4154
03:02:00,230 --> 03:01:58,439
thank you much so much I really enjoyed

4155
03:02:02,630 --> 03:02:00,240
it thank you mate and we just went poll

4156
03:02:04,849 --> 03:02:02,640
to Paul I'm apologizing to the network

4157
03:02:07,010 --> 03:02:04,859
and they're going to sign me off in just

4158
03:02:09,769 --> 03:02:07,020
a second thank you so much Ross

4159
03:02:11,210 --> 03:02:09,779
what a great conversation you guys got a

4160
03:02:13,910 --> 03:02:11,220
treat tonight

4161
03:02:15,530 --> 03:02:13,920
thank you Ross Colt art absolutely

4162
03:02:18,110 --> 03:02:15,540
incredible

4163
03:02:19,550 --> 03:02:18,120
oh man I don't even know where I'm at

4164
03:02:22,150 --> 03:02:19,560
right now

4165
03:02:24,950 --> 03:02:22,160
I don't I don't I'm completely

4166
03:02:27,349 --> 03:02:24,960
completely lost Fade to Black's

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03:02:30,110 --> 03:02:27,359
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4168
03:02:31,100 --> 03:02:30,120
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03:02:33,610 --> 03:02:31,110
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03:02:36,050 --> 03:02:33,620
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